Author Topic: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate  (Read 477 times)

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Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« on: 06 October 2021, 03:20 AM »
Attached is the Plate in question and the hand punched 1977. I've removed the plate as the car is going in for restoration and would like to know if anyone has a plate with such messy manual punching like this. Its just very curious. Am thinking of getting a new plate, this one is messed up with all the scratches and, masking failures and pitting.

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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #1 on: 06 October 2021, 07:47 AM »
I would keep it personally, it adds character ;)
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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #2 on: 06 October 2021, 04:01 PM »
RP,

Indeed its looks like someone just did that themselves.

The annoying thing is, these plates are NLA.  I wanted to get them remade, and even made up a template, but couldn't t find a metal printing place to manufacture some.

Id just hang onto it, as I dont reckon you will find another you can have stamped neatly!

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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #3 on: 06 October 2021, 04:23 PM »
It looks like this company still has them available:

https://identification-plates.com/en/115-mercedes

Expensive though.

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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #4 on: 07 October 2021, 11:52 AM »
Just be aware that this company does not do reverse number stamping like the originals.  The numbers will be stamped from the top.  Mercedes did the reverse stamping so the plate would lie flat on the area it was riveted to.  When you have one that is stamped from the top down the metal plate will have a bow in it once it's riveted to the car due to the downward stamped numbers making contact before the rest of the plate. 
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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #5 on: 07 October 2021, 03:35 PM »
UTn_boy,
Once again, great knowledge and thanks for the information. However in my case, the 1977 is stamped from the top and has already bowed the plate.

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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #6 on: 08 October 2021, 03:06 AM »
The seventh digit in your chassis number is a 6, which means that the car is a RHD that was built outside Germany from a kit (1 is German-built LHD, 2 is German-built RHD, 5 is a LHD kit).
It's possible that the local assembly company stamped the plate as its 1977th W116 or that it's a 1977 model year car.

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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #7 on: 08 October 2021, 06:54 AM »
Very much possible that it may be a Malaysian assembled model. Is it possible that it is a South African import? It doesn't have the normal spec plate on the front brace, actually has nothing except for some A/C warning labels which I duly removed.

It is the lowest spec W116 i've ever seen. Doesn't even have a radio, flat door panels where the side vents on the front door that are supposed to go into the doors just met by just a steel frame of the door. There is also no fancy frame on the doors, just hard square plastic like the W114/5, M110 with Solex 4A1 carb, 4 speed manual, hand crank windows. No sound deadening on the doors. In the boot there is no lining and no sound deadening, just metal and some undercoat material. There isn't even a false floor between the spare tire and the rubber mat, just the rubber mat. Is there a way to check that it might be a Taxi model? The doors perplex me, it looks more like W108 doors and has a metal frame that blocks the rubber seal that normally vents to the door, very strange.

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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #8 on: 08 October 2021, 08:06 AM »
Is there any way to verify if the door cards etc are original? A lot can be modified/changed in 40yrs...
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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #9 on: 08 October 2021, 08:17 AM »
I've never seen a South-African 116, but a friend here in Ireland has a RHD has a S-A W108 and, comparing it to German 108's, the door cards sound familiar - much simpler/cheaper design with no pockets, and the rest of the car is similarly basic in many small ways.
Also check the window glass to see if it's German (eg: Sekurit) or a locally-made version - CKD* cars usually have locally made glass and interiors, and the glass often has manufacturer's info/country of origin in the markings in the corner.


*CKD = completely knocked down, ie: a kit. Irish people are familiar with locally-assembled classic cars, as we had high import taxes on complete cars to encourage an industry in car assembly in the mid 20th century, to boost local employment.
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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #10 on: 08 October 2021, 10:59 AM »
So by kit car do you mean cars that were imported as parts then assembled in the destination country? How common is/was that?
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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #11 on: 08 October 2021, 12:24 PM »
It was more common decades ago, in poorer countries. Cars were simpler, and shipping and customs probably were a bigger part of the cost, so I doubt it happens in many places around the world any longer.


The kits consisted of one car's-worth of drivetrain, electrical, suspension and paint-primered body parts, each of which which arrived in a wooden crate, but items like glass, interior trim, springs, tyres, paint, wiring looms were produced locally, providing employment at suppliers, and in the final assembly of the cars. Apart from the lesser taxation, the cars were often very low-specification, as mentioned by rparker above, which made them more affordable than they might otherwise have been.


On the downside, the quality of assembly and especially of the rust-protection were often inferior to the manufacturer-produced versions, and the low specs meant that there was a gap in the market for buyers who didn't like the lesser-quality local stuff but couldn't afford the stuff that was imported complete (which was mostly luxury/high-end stuff).


If you're interested, here's a detailed article about the Irish motor assembly industry: [size=78%]https://www.completecar.ie/features/post/8198/Book-review-Motor-Assembly-in-Ireland[/size]

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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #12 on: 08 October 2021, 10:20 PM »
I just got back from a month in Wicklow. The only thing we produce there is methane and insane property values.
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Re: Wierd Stamping on Front Plate
« Reply #13 on: 09 October 2021, 03:40 AM »
Is there any way to verify if the door cards etc are original? A lot can be modified/changed in 40yrs...

May very well be, it lacks even chrome or side pockets, basically just a handle and door opener. The strange part it how the HVAC vents that are supposed to go into the door actually hit up against the door's metal frame, so it could even be that the 2 front doors might be from another model! The chrome trim on the exterior is all correct though.

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