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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #30 on: 21 March 2015, 12:43 PM »
Hi Lucas


What a beautiful thing to behold! Goldilocks will now last forever.  I take it the black finish is e-coat?


Many congratulations on a job well done.


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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #31 on: 21 March 2015, 01:01 PM »
Thanks! Yes, the black finish is the e-coat. Got my dad - who happens to be a body work master craftsman, and oversees the project for me locally - to check it over, and he tells me it got to every nook and cranny he was able to see, which is the main advantage over spray-on epoxy primers. I sure hope it'll last long enough to make the whole thing worthwhile :)
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #32 on: 21 March 2015, 09:07 PM »
God, I am ready to weep at the site of this. What a thing of beauty!. I want, I want, I want! Forgot my doubts about going all the way. If this isn't it, what is?
Now I am really in trouble. I secretly hope there isn't such a facility in Taiwan, coz if I find one, I am all-in!
Still, I secretly wonder whether you you will manage to not buy even more, new parts to match the perfection of this immaculate chassis.
Anyone who's ever seen a non-restored naked W116 chassis will agree. Hats off.. this is the summit.

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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #33 on: 14 April 2015, 02:46 PM »
Well, the project has hit its first major snag. So, my dad checked out the coating and was satisfied with it, but as the workshop guys started prepping the surface for first coat of primer, they found a few spots where the coating has peeled off when lightly sanded, revealing... rust spots. Yes, you read that right. So now its back to discussing my options with the Germans. Suffice to say, I'm not a happy camper after paying them thousands of EUR to have an epoxy-primed rust-free chassis.

TBC...
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #34 on: 14 April 2015, 11:39 PM »
Hi Lucas


Sorry to hear that there's been a problem.  What a set back! I'm sure they can chemically strip and re-dip for you at no further cost to you.  Good thing your dad is there on hand to help oversee things.  And even better that your resto-guys have put a halt on the project and not just ignored the problem.


Good luck further,


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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #35 on: 15 April 2015, 04:11 AM »
Just got off the phone with the Germans, and I'm mildly satisfied with their explanation, especially after they've sent me pics taken during the process. Apparently the thing that looks like rust actually isn't. They say it's an epoxy resin that was used at factory between the seams of spot-welded panels, and which creeped out when the chassis was baked at 200*C after coating, and there's zero that can be done about it. Their chemistry can't creep into those seams deep enough to get rid of that thing, they're so tight. The resin is crusted, brown and hard (which rust shouldn't be, hence why I'm "mildly satisfied"). Yet, somehow I find it hard to believe two guys with 60 years combined experience got fooled that easy. They're doing some tests. There are two spots where I am not convinced by the "resin" argument, so I'm keeping my options open.

And now, for the gory details, for posterity's sake:
http://goo.gl/8awlsk
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #36 on: 15 April 2015, 05:46 AM »
Seems like there's no-where on the planet that does the 'perfect' job!!  Maybe we expect too much??
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #37 on: 15 April 2015, 05:56 AM »
I feel your frustration.. I'd be in meltdown..

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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #38 on: 27 May 2015, 05:35 AM »
The whole story of Goldilocks restoration so far, in pictures. Rust-free climate viewers be advised, this content is graphic ;)
https://goo.gl/iyt9fe

p.s.: Pics are saved in a rather unsorted way. I'll get to that eventually.

Current status: paint job prep underway.
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #39 on: 14 July 2015, 02:29 AM »
Another short update on progress, or rather lack thereof.

Bumpers are due back from re-chroming this week.
Upholstery resto starts this week too.
Chassis is prepped for paint.

The guys were focusing on getting the Iso Grifo mentioned in this thread out the door, after something like 3 years of constant attention in the shop. Can't blame them. They've probably been sick of it by now ;)
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #40 on: 16 July 2015, 08:20 AM »
And when things were looking OK again... cabrio.de just let me know they are no longer able to deliver the moss green velours 916P plain and 916R ribbed fabric. Bugger that  >:(
Those folks are my last hope: http://www.steenbuck-web.de/mercedes_polstervelour_wollvelour.htm

If that doesn't workout, it'll be bye-bye originality.
I guess that's another point for "the W116 buyer's guide": Do not buy a velours upholstered model. Ever.
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #41 on: 16 July 2015, 11:35 AM »
Sure about that? Lots of earlier models had velour upholstery including the 600 it was often only the driver's seat was leather. I remember not too long ago seeing rolls of velour for sale by MB.
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #42 on: 16 July 2015, 03:07 PM »
MB doesn't sell any upholstery material no more, and interior panels haven't been available for quite some time.
At least that's what I've been told by UK and German MB dealers.

It's likely that other velours colours are more readily available.
Moss green wasn't the most popular, and it shows :|
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #43 on: 21 July 2015, 12:14 PM »
What's the alternative then new leather? Do see the odd old set on ebay occasionally.
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Re: The "Goldilocks" restoration thread
« Reply #44 on: 21 July 2015, 03:31 PM »
What's the alternative then new leather? Do see the odd old set on ebay occasionally.

Cloth and MB Tex(ish) are in better supply, but also in the more popular colours.
There is an option of ordering non-dyed white velours, plain and ribbed, and dying it to spec. But minimum order is 40rm, and it ain't very affordable either.

The all-out option is to redo everything (panels, dash, seats etc.) in custom leather/vinyl, if I can't find a velours supplier that has some residual stock.
It would be a shame though, because the only thing that really needs work are the seats. That damn velours wears out without shame.
I could also just let it be, and get some seat covers, but that defeats the purpose of a full-on restoration.

Second hand interior is not an option I'm considering. There's no point to it.

Either way, I have a month or two to figure out a plan, before the interior will be ready for re-assembly.
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