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Thegger

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My 450Se 1977 project
« on: 27 September 2018, 02:18 AM »
Hello.
My name is Tommy, from Norway and bought a 450SE with m117.986 as my first car project ever.
I have no mechanic background, so this is just for fun and because i like it. Feedback would be appreciated. :)

The car is a Japan version. Is it sold new there then? Before I got it, it was imported from Dubai. The person i bought it from had it garaged for 8 years because of misfiring on two cylinders.
Since it came from Dubai when he bought it, it not much corrosion and pretty good looking in the paint.

Long story short, misfiring came from bad maintenence on the engine. Cylinderhead were covered in buttery oil, lifters plugged and the camshafts were torn, flat lobes and rocker arms also very worn. Pulled of the cylinder heads after and found one bent exhaust valve and most of the valveseats were covered in sticky shit. Thats why the car was showing high HC on exhaust gas last emission test.

Ive started putting the engine together again. New exhaust valve, cleaned up the cylinder head and grinded up all valves/seats.
New lifters, rocker arms. Now im waiting for new machined camshafts from Catcams with a little more sport profile.


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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #1 on: 27 September 2018, 07:57 AM »
Welcome Tommy!
Nice Euro! Green one of my all time best colours on the 116.
You will find lots of help here. Most of us do most of the work on our cars ourselves as skilled older mechanics are very hard to find.
Good luck and keep asking I am sure you will find the community here the best 116 resource on the planet!
Cheers
Daniel
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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #2 on: 27 September 2018, 10:12 AM »
Does anyone have a good picture of the m117 engine from above? I lost my phone and all the pictures ive taken, so my memory struggle a little bit with where the parts was located  ;D
Without the airfilter.

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #3 on: 27 September 2018, 11:02 AM »
Welcome Tommy, and good luck with your project.
There should be a few shots of the engine and engine bay in my resto archive.

I have more and better quality versions offline if you need them. Happy to share, too.
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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #4 on: 27 September 2018, 11:10 AM »
Welcome Tommy, and good luck with your project.
There should be a few shots of the engine and engine bay in my resto archive.

I have more and better quality versions offline if you need them. Happy to share, too.

Thanks. That was exactly what I needed. What a great job you have done. Really nice.

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #5 on: 28 September 2018, 01:41 PM »
Welcome Tommy, and good luck with your project.
There should be a few shots of the engine and engine bay in my resto archive.

I have more and better quality versions offline if you need them. Happy to share, too.

What engine is that? I have the 117.986 and there is some differences.

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #6 on: 29 September 2018, 01:04 AM »
Hey Tommy.  For some one with no mechanical background, you have taken on a fairly sophisticated top overhaul. As a matter of interest, where r u getting your shims from to adjust the hydraulic  valve lifters [after the valve grind etc] ?

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #7 on: 29 September 2018, 01:38 AM »
I did the grind Job by hand with a wooden grinding stick and grinding paste. I have not made any measurement of the lifters yet, because i dont have the camshafts yet.
Have used pelicanparts and autodoc for parts. Also have a shop herr in Norway which helps me with parts.

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #8 on: 29 September 2018, 02:53 AM »
Are these chromelists and the flag holder in front any extra equipment? Havent seen these lists before.
« Last Edit: 29 September 2018, 11:25 AM by Thegger »

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #9 on: 30 October 2018, 10:00 AM »
New camshafts arrived today.

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #10 on: 30 October 2018, 12:05 PM »
Really need some camshafts mine are a bit pitted as it was left when a head gasket went and water got into the oil. Did you say that yours has a flagstaff? If you have they are like gold always wanted one. The modern S Class have them and the retrofit kit is not cheap and quite complicated.
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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #11 on: 30 October 2018, 12:50 PM »
Previous owner told me it was a flagstaff, but im not sure what it is. As the car is a Japan version and later importen to Dubai i cant track any info on the car. The Chrome lists on the door is also something not so usual?
My camshafts had to be replaced. So ordered these with a bit of sport profile.

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #12 on: 30 October 2018, 01:04 PM »
Flagstaff?

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #13 on: 30 October 2018, 04:29 PM »
These are universal parking pennants, a massive seller in yellow Asia, and a non-existing item in the rest of the world. I shall refrain from generalizations, but if ever  there was a time..
These were not sold by MB japan, btw, those could still be considered somewhat of an original item. ISome time ago, I emptied out all the online sites in japan, bought every 70's MB pennant I could find for reasonable money. Have not gotten around having them re-chromed with locally made non-invasive mounting brackets for W116. That is/was the plan. When it's done, they'll be available here in the forum, for members. Regarding this one in the photo, it's safe to remove, and i would do so before you impale your neighbor's dog.

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Re: My 450Se 1977 project
« Reply #14 on: 30 October 2018, 11:12 PM »
Thanks for the info Floyd. Good to know 😊