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How does a 116 compare to a 108?

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #30 on: 06 May 2007, 09:27 AM »
I can't say that the W140 has ever been high on my list, but of course that 6lt engine is fantastic. The S Club had one on display at Techno Classica and it was a beautiful machine, but I'm not sure I like the boxy shape of the W140 in general.

I assume that import taxes to SA preclude imports, and this also helps to maintain the high prices.

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #31 on: 06 May 2007, 11:55 AM »
Craig, W140 is a love it or hate it thing.  I currently use a S500L LWB as my daily driver, and that is already stretching practicality in terms of the cost and complexity of maintenance.  I'm told that a 600 is a large step up in terms of cost and difficulty.  I'm willing to believe it.  Personally I'm one of those who loves the W140.  The costs of maintaining them, and their built-in biodegradeability suggests that they will suffer much sharper and severe attrition than the 6.3's and 6.9's have experienced.  I've never driven a 600, but my 500 is already spectacular in terms of performance. 

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #32 on: 06 May 2007, 10:15 PM »
Not to worry, styria, that is how I took your postings. 

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #33 on: 07 May 2007, 10:22 AM »
Is this about what you have to pay in SA ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MERCEDES-BENZ-V12-BULLET-PROOF-WINDOWS-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ320111714726QQihZ011QQcategoryZ72454QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Craig, W140 is a love it or hate it thing.  I currently use a S500L LWB as my daily driver, and that is already stretching practicality in terms of the cost and complexity of maintenance.  I'm told that a 600 is a large step up in terms of cost and difficulty.  I'm willing to believe it.  Personally I'm one of those who loves the W140.  The costs of maintaining them, and their built-in biodegradeability suggests that they will suffer much sharper and severe attrition than the 6.3's and 6.9's have experienced.  I've never driven a 600, but my 500 is already spectacular in terms of performance. 

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #34 on: 07 May 2007, 11:01 PM »
Craig, that would be the far top end of the price range considering that is an early pre-facelift car.  The early ones look better IMHO, but they suffer from a lot of chronic problems that were eliminated in the '95 revisions.  They don't say, but it really would need to be a LWB for that price too.

Its a common misonception - the windows are not bullet proof, they are double glazed - and hence they will stop an obliquely fired small calibre round - only the outer glass breaks - but they are certainly not bullet proof in the true sense. 

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #35 on: 08 May 2007, 12:35 AM »
Ryan,
I visited a friend of mine, who works for McCarthy Motors and he showed me two 'armour' S-Classes. One was a W140, which I didn't look at closely, but the other was a W220 S600 Armour, which I looked at closely. Both belong to the Government and the W220 was getting a windscreen replaced at a cost of ZAR200 000. The side windows must easily be 3-4cm thick and opening the doors takes quite some effort. The front outer layer of the windscreen had cracked, but the windscreen was probably also about 4cm thick. I believe that an amour W140 weighs in at about 4 tons and only has a max speed of 160 or so.
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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #36 on: 08 May 2007, 12:42 AM »
Grant, yes it is true that you do get true armoured 140's (And other s-class), but i was just pointing out that standard 140's are popularly misconstrued as having bullet proof glass.  My car has double glased side glass, a perfectly ordinary front windscreen.  The rear glass is also a laminated glass, basically the same way that front windscreens are made.  But its not bulletproof. 

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #37 on: 08 May 2007, 12:44 AM »
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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #38 on: 08 May 2007, 03:40 AM »
I believe that an amour W140 weighs in at about 4 tons and only has a max speed of 160 or so.

And that speed, Grant, is probably what the vehicle's chassis, propulsion, and drive systems can manage between them.   Any sustained travel in excess of 80 km/h in such a vehicle will likely come unstuck thanks to tyre failure.

Regardless of all the hype and crap and speculation surrounding a certain late 'People's Princess', assuming even that there was no malintent and that the "stack" of the Fayed Benz was entirely "accidental", it could quite feasibly be put down to tyre failure.   Three to four tonnes of car traveling at sustained high speeds is gunna bust those bags faw shaw.   Poof!   (in a manner of speaking) ::)

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #39 on: 08 May 2007, 03:46 AM »
I believe that an amour W140 weighs in at about 4 tons and only has a max speed of 160 or so.

And that speed, Grant, is probably what the vehicle's chassis, propulsion, and drive systems can manage between them.   Any sustained travel in excess of 80 km/h in such a vehicle will likely come unstuck thanks to tyre failure.

Regardless of all the hype and crap and speculation surrounding a certain late 'People's Princess', assuming even that there was no malintent and that the "stack" of the Fayed Benz was entirely "accidental", it could quite feasibly be put down to tyre failure.   Three to four tonnes of car traveling at sustained high speeds is gunna bust those bags faw shaw.   Poof!   (in a manner of speaking) ::)

And oh how the people cried on receiving the news of her death. My mother still lives in the UK and she told me it was as if everyone (except her) had lost a dear close relative. The wailing, bawling and sobbing :'( :'( :'(
The only thing that interested me was how serious the wreck was :o and what sort of impact that must have been. Yes, it was sad that Diana and the other chappie died but....that's another story.
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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #40 on: 08 May 2007, 04:04 AM »
Martin: I have been damned before today - and more than thrice - for suggesting that it was a tragic waste of a good car.

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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #41 on: 08 May 2007, 04:50 AM »
Craig, fyi, my Euro 6.9 also spins to 6000 with ease.  I havent done it often out of fear but just watched it (in 1st obviously!!!!!) spin and spin past 5500!!  Changed up and was doing over 120 in 1st gear!!
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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #42 on: 08 May 2007, 07:33 AM »
Martin: I have been damned before today - and more than thrice - for suggesting that it was a tragic waste of a good car.

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I think that we members of the 'alternative' society have different values! ;)
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Re: How does a 116 compare to a 108?
« Reply #43 on: 11 May 2007, 12:52 AM »
I guess you also don't have the rotor with the limiter also ! Wonder how many still do. Last time I checked, they were NLA, but I see they have some here in Turkey @ EUR 40 + each.

Craig, fyi, my Euro 6.9 also spins to 6000 with ease.  I havent done it often out of fear but just watched it (in 1st obviously!!!!!) spin and spin past 5500!!  Changed up and was doing over 120 in 1st gear!!