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Started by marku, 18 February 2018, 12:33 PM

marku

1974 450SE silver green/bamboo velour/green vinyl roof

UTn_boy

There are several things that were not done correctly or not fitted back correctly.  The three biggest things that stand out are the interior door panel cards are over stuffed, the rocker panels are supposed to be coated in body shutz and painted satin black....not body color, and considering all the owner went through I'd certainly expect the grill, of all things, to have new, non bent trim pieces and a new plastic screen.  It  certainly looks like a nice enough car, but I now have to wonder what other short cuts were taken? 
1966 250se coupe`,black/dark green leather
1970 600 midnight blue/parchment leather
1971 300sel 6.3,papyrus white/dark red leather
1975 450se, pine green metallic/green leather
1973 300sel 4.5,silver blue metallic/blue leather
1979 450sel 516 red/bamboo

w116john


and there is some trim missing from the hood, a lot of money

adamb

This should be advertised at £12,000.

Squiggle Dog

Yeah... at first it seems like someone went all the way and did it the properly--but then got impatient toward the end. The overstuffed door cards are hilarious!
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1967 W110 Universal Wagon, Euro, Turbo Diesel, Tail Fins, 4 Speed Manual Column Shift, A/C
1980 W116 300SD Turbo Diesel, DB479 Walnut Brown, Sunroof, Heated Seats, 350,000+

ptashek

Quote from: UTn_boy on 18 February 2018, 01:41 PM
rocker panels are supposed to be coated in body shutz and painted satin black...

No unrestored, my two included, W116 I've ever seen had any body schutz or other undercoating on the outer sill panels. Of this I'm certain. They're painted DB164 "Tiefdunkelgrau" over body colour, and that's about it.

The door cards are laughable, on that I fully agree. The straight pipe exhaust seems wrong for that year, and the engine bay is a disappointment.

It seems this is either a current or ex-member car from MB Club UK, based on the sticker on its windshield. I could try and find out a bit more about it.

It looks like a case of someone having ambitious plans and then realising how much it'll all cost. That asking price? About the cost of OEM parts...
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

TJ 450

They are textured though, it needs to be resistant to stone chips etc.

Tim
1976 450SEL 6.9 1432
1969 300SEL 6.3 1394
2003 ML500

ptashek

Quote from: TJ 450 on 19 February 2018, 06:08 AM
They are textured though, it needs to be resistant to stone chips etc.

This is how it looked on both my cars, and other European ones I've seen. No textured overcoat, no undercoating, just satin / half-matt black paint.

The pic below is from my 450, which I know for certain was never restored in any way before. All the PO did was paint the sills with matt black spray paint, which you can see peeling off of the original factory black.
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

Max-NL

I've included the factory undercoating sheet, which says that the sills should have unterbodenschutz:
1971 R107 350 SL
1972 W108 280 SEL 3.5
1975 W116 280 S
1975 W116 450 SEL 6.9 #140
1977 W123 230
1992 W124 230 CE
2001 Ducati Monster S4

ptashek

#9
Quote from: Max-NL on 19 February 2018, 08:38 AM
I've included the factory undercoating sheet, which says that the sills should have unterbodenschutz:

Well, then I'm lost, because reality as observed on the continent doesn't match up with that doc :)

Edit: Similarly to the sills, I've seen examples of unrestored cars which had no schutz on the lower front part of the wings.  But I've seen ones which did too...

What year is that doc from? Is it possible some of these were year or market dependant?

Edit 2: the wording in parts of that doc leads me to believe it may only be relevant to body repair work - it mentions removing existing corrosion, and being best suited for replacement parts...
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

Squiggle Dog

Quote from: ptashek on 19 February 2018, 08:35 AM
Quote from: TJ 450 on 19 February 2018, 06:08 AM
They are textured though, it needs to be resistant to stone chips etc.

This is how it looked on both my cars, and other European ones I've seen. No textured overcoat, no undercoating, just satin / half-matt black paint.

The pic below is from my 450, which I know for certain was never restored in any way before. All the PO did was paint the sills with matt black spray paint, which you can see peeling off of the original factory black.

That looks like a textured coating to me.
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1967 W110 Universal Wagon, Euro, Turbo Diesel, Tail Fins, 4 Speed Manual Column Shift, A/C
1980 W116 300SD Turbo Diesel, DB479 Walnut Brown, Sunroof, Heated Seats, 350,000+

ptashek

Quote from: Squiggle Dog on 19 February 2018, 02:17 PM
Quote from: ptashek on 19 February 2018, 08:35 AM
Quote from: TJ 450 on 19 February 2018, 06:08 AM
They are textured though, it needs to be resistant to stone chips etc.

This is how it looked on both my cars, and other European ones I've seen. No textured overcoat, no undercoating, just satin / half-matt black paint.

The pic below is from my 450, which I know for certain was never restored in any way before. All the PO did was paint the sills with matt black spray paint, which you can see peeling off of the original factory black.

That looks like a textured coating to me.

Having seen it live from a few centimetres away, I'm certain it wasn't :)
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

UTn_boy

Lucas, Mercedes has been putting body shutz on the rocker panels since 1960, and continued to do so until the mid 1990's when the W124 stopped being made.  That's just common knowledge, and it's a matter of fact.  I'm not sure what you've been seeing, and this wasn't market specific. Sometimes it was more smooth looking than the next car, but as Tim stated, this area must be resistant to stone chipping and road debris.  If W116 cars didn't have body shutz/stone guard on the rockers, there would be a lot less W116 cars left in the world today. 
1966 250se coupe`,black/dark green leather
1970 600 midnight blue/parchment leather
1971 300sel 6.3,papyrus white/dark red leather
1975 450se, pine green metallic/green leather
1973 300sel 4.5,silver blue metallic/blue leather
1979 450sel 516 red/bamboo

rumb


Quote from: Max-NL on 19 February 2018, 08:38 AM
I've included the factory undercoating sheet, which says that the sills should have unterbodenschutz:


What manual did that come from?

'68 250S
'77 6.9 Euro
'91 300SE,
'98 SL500
'14 CLS550,
'16 AMG GTS
'21 E450 Cabrio

UTn_boy

Quote from: rumb on 19 February 2018, 07:34 PM

Quote from: Max-NL on 19 February 2018, 08:38 AM
I've included the factory undercoating sheet, which says that the sills should have unterbodenschutz:


What manual did that come from?

In my literature it is located in volume 2 of the W116 chassis and body manual.
1966 250se coupe`,black/dark green leather
1970 600 midnight blue/parchment leather
1971 300sel 6.3,papyrus white/dark red leather
1975 450se, pine green metallic/green leather
1973 300sel 4.5,silver blue metallic/blue leather
1979 450sel 516 red/bamboo