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280" Concourse; Diary of a layman

Started by floyd111, 09 March 2015, 04:44 AM

ptashek

Quote from: floyd111
You gotta love this forum, haha! Where on the planet do you people that "just happen to know" such things.

The dealer I buy parts from lists their weight in the catalogue. No black magic or some über-expertise here :)
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

Squiggle Dog

Quote from: floyd111 on 22 August 2020, 11:35 PM
yeah, that one..
That's been on my mind, and it's a tough one. I love the look of the Yorke, and I have 3 of  them, 2 of them fully refurbished, like new.
If I could sell them at a proper price, I would consider the Sanden.
is it really so much better than the Yorke? Same airco power with less HP?

I believe the Sandens use 7 HP less than the Yorks.

Quote from: floyd111 on 22 August 2020, 11:42 PM
Since the workshop isn't answering me regarding the US Bundts, I smell an issue. They may have not yet ordered them.
In that case, could you please elaborate, send me pics and/or URL's related to these matters?
Sounds like this may be a big enough option to consider.
But, even though I have NOS wheel caps, they're all in 14" getting the 15's..well, we just spoke about those here. Bloody costly.

But, there is a company in Britain, who makes NLA wheel caps all day long. saw them on Top Gear. They showed a set of 4 that sold for 300 BP. Even if that's double now, that would still be a bargain.
Gotta see if I can find that back.

Were you to use the steel-look aluminum wheels, they only take 14" wheel covers (but be sure they are later production stainless ones, as the very early steel ones have a different profile which makes mounting the nylon-tipped clips impossible). The nylon-tipped clips are part number 1234000027 and list for $8.50 each before any discounts, though you have to buy 16 of them, so it adds up. The part number for the 5.5" wide wheels is 1234001302 (typically found on the W123 240D). The 6" wide ones are much scarcer and more expensive (typically found on the W123 300TD wagon).  The part number for them is 1234001502.

The factory service manual states:

In my FSM it states:

Light Alloy Rims.

5 1/2 J x 14 H 2
Rim offset, 30mm
part no. 123 400 13 02
Model, 123.123 (USA)

6 J x 14 H 2
Rim offset, 30mm
part no. 123 400 15 02
Model, 123.033 (USA), 123.130 (USA)

Wheel bolts for fastening wheel
For steel plate and light alloy rims.

Part no. 110 401 01 70,
Threads M 12 x 1.5,
Length 21
Note; end of bolt head is recessed with MB star imprinted.
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1967 W110 Universal Wagon, Euro, Turbo Diesel, Tail Fins, 4 Speed Manual Column Shift, A/C
1980 W116 300SD Turbo Diesel, DB479 Walnut Brown, Sunroof, Heated Seats, 350,000+

floyd111

 :D <applause emoji.

Thanks a lot for that remarkably detailed data.

Squiggle Dog

Quote from: floyd111 on 23 August 2020, 08:29 PM
:D <applause emoji.

Thanks a lot for that remarkably detailed data.

You're welcome. Should you decide you want to use 6" wide steel-look aluminum wheels, I know a person in California, USA who has a set he would sell. He has experience selling them and is pretty much the authority.
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1967 W110 Universal Wagon, Euro, Turbo Diesel, Tail Fins, 4 Speed Manual Column Shift, A/C
1980 W116 300SD Turbo Diesel, DB479 Walnut Brown, Sunroof, Heated Seats, 350,000+

floyd111

I'll do the showroom W116 with a Yorke, and I am very much looking for a 280SEL somewhere, and plan to make that my daily driver, with everything light weight where possible.
Gotta have more thinks about them wheels.
i feel the showroom car should have 15" Bundt's, and I'll be looking for lighter wheels when I have found a 280SEL
I do have a little spark of hope that maybe the showroom car will one day find a fanatical buyer. If none of that happens within a few years, I'll be looking forward to driving it when I please.

floyd111

#770
About the underside of the chassis..
It's primer, then Schutz, but does the underside get another coat of chassis color on top of the schutz?

ptashek

Quote from: floyd111 on 26 August 2020, 04:04 AM
About the underside of the chassis..
It's primer, then Schutz, but does the underside get another coat of chassis color on top of the schutz?

Not on the W116. Or at least not on mine :)
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

floyd111

Eh, what? Please don't confuse me, haha!
is there or isn't there.from factory?

floyd111

I have been trying to find out online, but naturally, just when I need to, I ca't find any convincing pics, haha!
So if anyone could tell me for sure, that'd be great. The workshop is keen to finish, go figure. ;D

ptashek

Quote from: floyd111 on 26 August 2020, 08:12 PM
Eh, what? Please don't confuse me, haha!
is there or isn't there.from factory?

I meant that neither of the two W116s I've had the opportunity to dig deep on had body colour on the underside.
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

floyd111

 ;D OK! Understood with thanks, as usual!.

ptashek

#776
My favourite source recently has been the assembly line video: https://youtu.be/K_NKoMF3k38?t=322

At 5:22 you can see that Schutz was applied before paint. At 6:25 and 11:57 you can see the wheel wells and underside are not body colour either, but later on the wheel wells are painted in body colour and the underside is black. So likely this was done by humans after the automated paint shop line and initial bake. Unsurprising, as they'd have also done the inner spaces this way too. Paint shop robots weren't advanced enough back then to do this.

The natural colour of factory Schutz was light grey tan(ish).
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

floyd111

mm. but if the underside in the video is black, and the Schutz is gray.. how is the underside black?

ptashek

Quote from: floyd111 on 27 August 2020, 06:28 AM
mm. but if the underside in the video is black, and the Schutz is gray.. how is the underside black?

"[..] likely this was done by humans after the automated paint shop line and initial bake [..]"
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

rumb

I dont think the original schutz color was gray. On my 1977 car it is tan color.  I had read somewhere that the MB supplied was originally tan but currently it is gray.  I used 3M which is tan for that reason. Here is a picture of the underside of my car showing uncoated drive shaft tunnel and tan schutz.
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