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Garage => Mechanicals => Topic started by: floyd111 on 30 August 2015, 05:18 AM

Title: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 30 August 2015, 05:18 AM
http://leden.w116.nl/?page_id=15

After a member here pointed out the factory option of a fridge, made by Becker, I did a mad search, and found this list.
To me, it's quite mind-boggling, but it's the real thing.

Yes, it's in German, and you can't copy-and-paste, but you can re-type it in English, and run it by Google translate.
It should be in our library, not?
We DO have the English version here at the .ORG, but it differs in many areas.
This list is W116-ONLY.

The fridge-link that was sent to me set this off.
Btw, is not a fridge, but a cool-box. It is fed cool air by the airco system.
It is also not made by Becker, but by Frenzel. They still do fridges for Benz in Buses etc.
It was also an utterly extremely rare event to have one in a 6.9, and was ONLY an option for the 6.9
Actually, it is that rare, you could debate whether to call it an option.
I found only 2 cases worldwide. (besides the 2 cases SLfan mentioned)
Still, it is called "Option 307" It's an option after all.
Now, where to get one?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 30 August 2015, 05:26 AM
This list also brings heaps of confusion to what I thought was standard, or VIN-related.
Simple things like the antenna. It was always an option to have the antenna in front, on the roof, or in the rear.
This list raises more questions than I care for...
When I find the time, I'll see if I can do a translation, for prosperity's sake..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: marku on 30 August 2015, 08:44 AM
Some time ago on the forum there was a discussion on datacards and option codes. Seem to remember there was a list available, in English, on line - thought I had a copy I will have a look.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 30 August 2015, 12:33 PM
This is a a better source of options and pricing info, based on actual price lists from across most years: http://www.w123-hannover.de/html/npr_startseite.html
Pick "116" in "Baureihe" and click "Neupreis".

This is the end-result for my 450SE, as per its datacard (yes, you can store it!):
http://www.w123-hannover.de/export/1356307934_PL25_450_SE_W116.html
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: slfan on 30 August 2015, 06:21 PM
Floyd111,

Two corrections regarding the factory fridge on my former 6.9:

1. It is battery powered or when the car is parked, powered by electricity from a regular 120/240 household outlet.  In otherwords, it is NOT connected at all to the car's air conditioning system.  You can even remove the fridge and operate it (from a household electrical outlet) outside the car.  The electrical plug was the standard European continental two-prong rounded plug.

2. The fridge is manufactured by Frenzel but is branded by Becker on top.  That was at last the case in my car.

This car is currently in another state but, as the person who I sold it to is a VERY good friend I will try to obtain detailed pictures of every aspect of the fridge and accompanying documentation.

Besteira regards,

Slfan
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 30 August 2015, 06:43 PM
Yes, you told me, but I forgot for a moment you were talking about a version you owned yourself, and not a story of hear-say.
That is interesting! According to the descriptions of the other fridge owners, that is not the case, which almost proves there are 2 types.
In German, they specifically explain that it's not a fridge, but a Frenzel cool box, since it does not have an autonomous cooling system.
Even stranger, there isn't a single link in several languages I tried that even proves the existence of a fridge/coolbox, related to Becker, while there ARE links to Frenzel and Waeco, going back in time, till today, on buses, Vito, and some others.
Can't trust the option list description neither, because it is not at all sure MB adhered to the terminology of coolbox/fridge, in the early 70's.

Like I said before.. you gotta love this forum. Where else do you find people nitpicking over options that happened 40yrs ago.

Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: slfan on 31 August 2015, 03:59 AM
Floydd111,

I agree with you:  this Forum is amazing.  As mentioned, I am going to obtain detailed pictures of this fridge and manuals to share with all here the details of this MB optional equipment.  This way, we can ensure that it does not become a myth. 

On another matter, congratulations on all the material that you are "hoarding".  It is amazing.  Please share pictures of your restoration with us.

Best regards,

Angel
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 31 August 2015, 06:02 AM
Holy Moses! 51.000DM in 1979 for a 450SE with some standard options
They weren't kidding then. Next upgrade is either a 6.9 or a Rolls.

BTW, Ptashek, that's one heck of a website! These guys do a fantastic job not being found, though!
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Peter on 31 August 2015, 03:00 PM
Now that explains why I have my antenna at the front of the car - I wonder how much that cost. :-\
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 01 September 2015, 05:24 AM
Now that explains why I have my antenna at the front of the car - I wonder how much that cost. :-\

I think this actually changed at some point of production.
Maybe it was even model dependant?

My (now scrapped) 350SE had the antenna on its front-right wing. The 450SE has it on the rear-left.
Both were stock, factory delivered Hirschmann motorised units.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Squiggle Dog on 01 September 2015, 06:47 PM
I once saw a W116 300SD for sale on craigslist with the factory refrigerator/cool box. Pictures attached.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AmrKdYFzm3s/VeZVrJcTdjI/AAAAAAAAHNo/ZhwpELwesaI/s800-Ic42/3n23m63pd5Qf5Pa5S69cicd818bd8d6881adb.jpg)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wFGrimOYrh8/VeZVs98dugI/AAAAAAAAHNw/Eo8Ne8hJCrw/s800-Ic42/3n83o53p45Q75U45P69ci6fdf5293836419e4.jpg)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ixy1kQ45H0Y/VeZVubqQnnI/AAAAAAAAHN4/jY87YXjJxqk/s800-Ic42/3n73k33mc5Vb5Tc5Ud9ci8523843a7e491654.jpg)

I also used to own a W116 300SD parts car with front and rear seat heaters. I ended up transferring those to my current daily driver 300SD.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eWad7nYCOvo/UmiFOruvfjI/AAAAAAAAGXo/6Mcw_0APQkc/s800-Ic42/1980300sd652.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HpiK8Ptujo0/UOo1CzPfcLI/AAAAAAAAE34/xnR0dce8yfE/s800-Ic42/1980300sd438.JPG)

And what about the locking armrest option? ;)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8rUYjgCLYX8/UiqQn3LT-rI/AAAAAAAAGWQ/3u5-CecN3xI/s800-Ic42/1980300sd643.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ICqSMp7SxOk/UiqQw9PkkZI/AAAAAAAAGWo/W1fXj6pGqdw/s800-Ic42/1980300sd646.JPG)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 02 September 2015, 07:27 PM
OK, it's official. This is the most dangerous thread ever.
Now I need a fridge in the back and a coolbox between the front seats. The locking armrest on top of the cool box. Or maybe the back seat, haha!

OK, so there ARE at least 2 fridge systems for the trunk, and 1 system for between the seats.
Wonder how many others will pop up later on.

The locking armrest is a must-have though. IF they were an option to start off with. I don't think so.
The photo listed here is an armrest, belonging to a W126, that was very smartly modified, with love, to fit the W116
Title: Fire extinguishers for W116
Post by: floyd111 on 03 September 2015, 04:41 AM
Does anyone have exact data regarding these items in the W116? What Gloria part number? What's the bracket nr?
Are there more parts besides the bracket? Is this Gloria the same as the 190, or the W124?
is it always a front -front seat mount? I have seen side-front seat mounts on W123. Does this happen with W116?

I am about to buy 2 full kits, and I really want the correct ones.
As usual, your assistance is greatly appreciated!

Stan
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Type17 on 06 September 2015, 06:57 AM
Here's a link to the previous thread, mentioned above: http://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/w116-datacard-and-body-plate-info/ (http://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/w116-datacard-and-body-plate-info/)


AFAIK, the antenna moved from the front to the rear in '75 when, amongst other things, the fuel injection changed from D-Jet to K-Jet.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 September 2015, 07:16 AM
The question was about the Fire extinguishers for W116..
Thanks still!
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Type17 on 06 September 2015, 08:51 AM
I think that there may be some (more) corruption on the forum database (or my browser is misbehaving), as the thread presented to me is "Option List W116 - The full Monty!", except for one post above my first one, which is from the Fire Extinguishers thread!
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 September 2015, 06:01 PM
My bad!
Each time I post I see a window for a title, and I never changed it till now, as to see what happens!
Well, confusion happened.

Anyways. I can't seem to find exact data on the fire ext. that was supplied to the W116. I deducted it's a Gloria, but there are many MB Gloria's for sale, most of them listed as :fits W201.
I would like to make sure I buy the right ones for my cars.
Any data is much welcomed.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: slfan on 06 September 2015, 08:19 PM
Floyd111,

I have an original fire extinguisher from a 1978 W116.  Tomorrow, I will take a picture os both the fire extinguisher and the red supporting bracket.

Regards,


Slfan
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: slfan on 07 September 2015, 05:34 PM
Floyd111,

These are the pictures of the factory installed fire extinguisher that came installed on three different MBs that I had from the 1970s (two W116s and one R107).

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/hugoauto/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg1_zpspaauz5qi.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/hugoauto/media/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg1_zpspaauz5qi.jpg.html)

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/hugoauto/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg2_zps452z7v0r.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/hugoauto/media/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg2_zps452z7v0r.jpg.html)


(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/hugoauto/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg3_zpsu0yolnke.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/hugoauto/media/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg3_zpsu0yolnke.jpg.html)


(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/hugoauto/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg4_zpsdwua13ma.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/hugoauto/media/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg4_zpsdwua13ma.jpg.html)y


(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/hugoauto/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg6_zpsunckiubz.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/hugoauto/media/MB%20450%20SEL%20036/image.jpg6_zpsunckiubz.jpg.html)



Regards,


Slfan
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 07 September 2015, 08:42 PM
Was it the same brand each time? Minimax? No Gloria?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 08 September 2015, 02:20 AM
Was it the same brand each time? Minimax? No Gloria?

All euro models I have seen which still had one, always had one of those Minimax extinguishers.
You can still buy those brand new, with a slightly updated design. The type designation is "PU 1G".

http://www.minimax-mobile.com/Pulver.49.0.html
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 08 September 2015, 08:05 AM
That's solid data. Thanks Ptashek and SLfan!
Amazing how there's not a single used one for sale anywhere, belonging to a W116. Guess they simply get scrapped.
The new ones from minimax are the same size, but in black. I also worry about the connecting brackets and leather.

Guess the thing here would really be to find one at the scrap yard. Thousands of them where you are at.
Not a single scrapyard with a W116 in this country...
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 08 September 2015, 09:23 AM
That's solid data. Thanks Ptashek and SLfan!
Amazing how there's not a single used one for sale anywhere, belonging to a W116. Guess they simply get scrapped.
The new ones from minimax are the same size, but in black. I also worry about the connecting brackets and leather.

Guess the thing here would really be to find one at the scrap yard. Thousands of them where you are at.
Not a single scrapyard with a W116 in this country...

Speaking purely from own observations, I think very few W116s actually had one of those from factory.

This was very likely a market dependant item, and shipped where required by local law. Neither my 450 nor 350 ever had one. If memory serves, Type17s 350 doesn't have one either; all three were UK delivered. For what it's worth, the 300SD and the 6.9 in the Mercedes-Benz Museum didn't have one either :)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: slfan on 08 September 2015, 11:31 AM
Floyd111,

All the MBs from the 1970s, officially imported into Brazil carried one of these Minimax fire extinguishers.   The 1980s Fire extinguisher is more modern and uses a different supporting bracket.  In around 2006, I purchased one of the last 3 brackets still available worldwide in the MB network for the 1980s style fire extinguisher.

Ptashek,

I agree with your line of thinking.  In Brazil, for several decades, fire extinguishers have been a mandatory safety item in cars.  All MBs officially imported into the country in the 70s, 80s and 90s, even show these items on their datacards.  The issue here is that as the validity of these exintguishers expired, people here in Brazil through the original extinguisher away and purchased a new local one.  This is one reason why they are not easy to find here and probably also around rest of the world.

Regards to all,

Slfan
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: s class on 09 September 2015, 01:03 PM
I have one of those extinguishers in my german delivered 6.9.  My other 6.9 was Finland delivered and does not have it. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: gavin116 on 09 September 2015, 08:43 PM
Hi Stan


Mrs W has a factory fit fire extinguisher.  I too want to replace it with a new like for like modern replacement.  My securing bracket has lost one of its two straps, so ideally I need a new mounting system too.  I was wondering If a W126 or W129 mounting bracket would work?

Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 10 September 2015, 03:28 AM
The key thing about these things is the long L-bracket. That is the thing that attaches to the leather strap, and keeps the lot tied to the floor.
The 126's also have a bracket and strap. Not sure it's identical, but it IS an L-bracket.
Therefore it should be very easy to fit a complete W126 set into a W116

When you do, give me a shout, so I can take your old, broken Minimax off your hands.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: slfan on 10 September 2015, 02:12 PM

The 126 bracket I have seen is visually different than the 116 bracket. Do not BELIEVE it will hold the Minimax extinguisher from the 1970s.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 10 September 2015, 06:03 PM
Indeed, but it should be an easy mod, if you get the full W126 outfit, wouldn't you think?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 14 September 2015, 02:22 AM
Just bumped into parking poles and flag poles for the w116.
They seem to be all around for W108, W126 and newer.
Sellers list them as if they automatically fit all W116 and W123, but I am not so sure at all.
The ones I am looking for are parking pennants, I think they are option code 902.
They should slide in between the bumper-sides.
Flagpoles are connected in a hole in the fender.

Does anyone have any information on these parking pennants for w116?
A part number, maybe, or for sale?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: s class on 14 September 2015, 04:03 AM
Do a search on this forum, we discussed the topic at length probably 5 years ago. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 14 September 2015, 06:31 AM
I did, but the air was heavy with colonial sentiment. Flagpoles galore.
Nothing much I could find on parking pennants.
Can't say I am not tempted, but let's not. :)
I think the parking pennants can be a useful thing, in the traffic we face here. Navigating these battleships in Taiwan traffic ain't a walk in the park.
Now, being Dutch, we are mostly born with ample motor skills. The same probably is not true about the future buyer of (one of) my W116's.

I already found the flagpole numbers, and they are still available from MB. Bajonet fitted, for 675euro. God forbid this is only for one-side. I think so. :o
Could not find a number for the parking pennants.

If anyone has data, please let me know.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 15 September 2015, 09:16 PM
Few things have become pretty clear:
MB never had parking pennants for the W116.
They only supplied flag poles.

Now, while hunting down a dozen parking pennants, made in Japan, I bumped into a seller that has an MB OEM Flagpole, NOS, for about 350 usd, negotiable

http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/192477099#itemframe
Don't shoot me if there's angles. I haven't spoken to the seller.

It's not for me, but surely a great deal for some people?. The best MB supplier I can find sells for 700 euro. Others well over 1000usd!
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 15 September 2015, 09:24 PM
Regarding parking pennants..
Even Japan never made them for the W116, but other chassis-type pennants were often converted to fit, both with DIY brackets and by drilling holes in painful places

So, I am buying every old parking pennant available online in Japan, for W126, W107, and will have them re-chromed here in Taiwan.
We will match different types and lengths (there are at least 3-4 types!), and we will have slip-on brackets made here, and chromed.
There are even pennants that light up at night, and modern types, but we will stay away from those.

When we're done, I'll post photos and supply the Org.
In the meantime, here are some pics of different types.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 15 September 2015, 09:31 PM
first batch.
Note how even in Japan, not a single case of W116+pennant could be found..
Doesn't mean it isn't there, just a very rare mod.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 15 September 2015, 09:32 PM
second batch
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: w116john on 16 September 2015, 02:14 PM
 hi all
very interesting centre console on this w116, looks like phone and fax? was it an option or aftermarket?
it could be added to the list

and microphones on the dash? very curious

john

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Klasse-8-Zyl-W-116-Kopfstutzen-vorne-Velour-Exklusiv-Ausstattung-/400995627015?hash=item5d5d33b007
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 16 September 2015, 04:33 PM
The mics might be aftermarket, but the phone is either a Becker or a TeKaDe. They'd cost a fifth of a 6.9 as an option back then :D

Option code: 351
Becker AT 40 S
17063DM in 1979

Option code: 263
TeKaDe BSA 31 S
16498DM in 1979

 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 18 September 2015, 06:40 PM
Mid Console Center cushion center pad add a seat

Just organizing posts a bit for posterity..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 21 September 2015, 04:36 AM
Original Suitcase set w116

I ran a global search for data but came up with almost nothing.
Someone said that all suitcases after 1959 for Benz were made by Hepco (hepco&Becker? The BMW parts guys?)

Does anyone have data, or photos of W116-original suitcase kits?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 21 September 2015, 05:37 AM
As far as I can tell, W116 never had a suitcase set as an accessory.
All accessories available from factory should be listed in the EPC.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 21 September 2015, 07:57 AM
Couldn't find it, but really? The 6.9 never came with suitcases?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 21 September 2015, 08:54 AM
Check http://www.w123-hannover.de/html/npr_startseite.html, pick the last price list from 1979 (list 28).
It has all the standard/extra options available from factory.

I'm quite sure the W116 never had this as a factory accessory.

You've probably seen this source already:
http://www.slmarket.com/mercedes-benz-fitted-luggage-a-retrospective-pre-war-to-post-war-300sl-gullwing-to-young-classics/

If you want to be 100% certain, contact the MB Classic Centre (or Museum) folks.
They have access to all MB records.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 21 September 2015, 05:23 PM
good tip!
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 01 October 2015, 09:59 AM
I am just talking to Madeira Concepts about them producing custom-made zebrano speaker grills for W116 hat shelf speakers.(for me/us at the .org)
They are willing.
Would anyone know the actual screw hole offset data, regarding the OEM-fitted hat shelf speakers?
If OEM size is still a size that allows good speakers, we may stick to that. If not, we'll need to go oversize.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 19 November 2015, 07:35 AM
I just bumped into this thing. A factory-produced console box for the W116
Strangely enough there are no markers that explain it's origins. Word is that it is an Italian aftermarket product, but no reason to believe this data is even remotely true.
Does anyone know anything?
The owner has agreed to hold it for me till tomorrow evening, at which point I will need to decide whether this is for me or not.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 19 November 2015, 07:11 PM
Nobody? :-\
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: s class on 20 November 2015, 04:55 AM
Well, what makes you think it is factory?  If it were, there would be a part number. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 20 November 2015, 05:54 AM
I think what Stan meant by "factory made" was that it may have been "mass produced".
I've personally never seen anything like it in a W116.

If there's no part number, it surely never came from MB. I'd make a pass.
It's smells as much of a money racket as slapping a 6.9 badge on a standard 450SEL.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 20 November 2015, 06:53 AM
Gentlemen, as always.. ;D
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 21 November 2015, 05:06 PM
With thanks to Ptashek:

http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/Accessoires_USAca1978.html

Sheep-skin covers, fog lamp guards and wind deflector offered as original MB extras in 1978.
Even a breakerless ignition conversion kit for older models.

Is anyone able to get me part numbers for the original...?
Car Care Kit
Exterior car kit
Ignition Kit
Sheepskins
Extra floormats front?
And maybe an obvious question.. Were the fog lamps only for USA bumpers?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 22 November 2015, 12:01 AM
Here is what I have a list of:

Windscreen cleaner: 001-986-80-71-17
 
Car shampoo: 000-986-15-71

Insect remover: 000-986-76-71

Window cleaner: 000-986-40-71

Leather cleaner: 000-986-05-71

Tar remover: 000-986-02-71

Stain remover for textiles: 000-986-08-71

Chrome cleaner: 000-986-24-74

MB Polishing wool: 000-986-03-62

MB paint polish (nano polish): 000-986-05-61

MB paint protector and sealer: 000-986-06-74

MB polish (for removal of heavy contamination/oxidation on paint): 000-986-03-74

Chrome protectant: 000-986-28-74

Spray Chrome Protector: 000-986-97-36

MB De-icer: 000-986-77-71

Chrome protector (non-aerosol)  000-986-06-60

The upgrade for the points ignition system did have a part number, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.  I'll save you the trouble, though.  It hasn't been available in nearly 20 years.  What I do know is that it was made by a company called TRW for Mercedes Benz. 

Regarding footmat sets, Paragon and spare parts classics still show stock on certain colors.  Black, blue, bamboo, and maybe brazil.  all of the part numbers for the footmat sets start out the same....116-680-xx-xx-xxxx.  The ones that still come up as available are -32-99-9000, 32-99-5001, 03-99-8003, 02-99-9000, 02-99-6000, and 33-99-8004.  The last four digits of the part numbers will be your color code.  9000 is black, 5001 is blue, 8003 and 8004  are bamboo and/or date, and I think 6000 is green, but not certain.  However, these may not be available at all.  If you want to try to order any of them to see, deal with MB Classic directly from Fellbach, Germany.  I've recently discovered that dealerships here in the states, as well as the Classic center here in the states, don't show the same inventory that Fellbach does.  A most recent example involves a customer of mine.  He wanted a new wood panel that goes around the ACC buttons.  He asked if I had a used one, and I did, but I asked him why he didn't just order a new one.  He said that both his local dealership and the classic center here in the states said it was no longer available.  I halfway didn't believe that, so I had the dealer ship that I deal with contact Fellbach, and sure enough, it was readily available, and is currently on it's way.  So bear that in mind anytime you are told something isn't available an more.  You might be surprised! 

The bumper mounted fog lamps were pretty much a U.S. thing.  Why?  Well, we didn't have the European headlight units.....which have fog lamps integrated into them already. If you see a W116 with Euro headlamps AND fog lamps mounted underneath the bumper, then you have to wonder why anyone would need two sets of fog lamps.  It's rather redundant.   So in order to have fog lamps on a W116 with U.S. sealed beam headlights, they mounted them below the front bumper.  The early W116 U.S. cars that had the European bumpers had the fog lights mounted near the corners of the bumpers where they start to wrap around the fenders.  The later U.S. cars that had the 5 MPH crash bumpers had the fog lights mounted further inward towards the center of the bumper.  I believe they were both the same lighting unit, but only they were mounted in different locations according to whether or not it had Euro bumpers or the later ones. 

I currently am not armed with the answers for the fog lamp guards or the sheep skin mats.  I can say that even if we had the part numbers that they would only be of use for reference only.  However, I do have a few sets of fog lamp guards.  I never thought I'd use them, but they've grown on me.  :)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 22 November 2015, 12:25 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 November 2015, 06:51 PM
Again, thanks to Ptashek

This one is interior focused, has some nice shots of the optional phone system.
http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/SpecialeUitrustingen_0578.html
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 November 2015, 06:55 PM
Hirschmann data from a French fanatic;


Bien entendu, je n'évoque ici que les antennes électriques montées en usine sur les W116, donc ceci élimine les antennes manuelles, les antennes électriques d'époque installées chez les accessoiristes (souvent des antennes japonaises) et les antennes montées ultérieurement.

Les antennes électriques montées en usine sur les W116 sont donc exclusivement des Hirschmann 6.000 avec boîtier entièrement métallique.

Du début de la production (1972), jusqu'en juillet 1974, ce sont des Hirschmann 6.000 H montées dans l'aile avant-droite, le boîtier est métallique et sans finition particulière.

A partir du mois d'août 1974 et jusqu'en septembre 1976, les antennes sont toujours des 6.000 H mais elles sont désormais montées dans l'aile arrière-gauche (dans le coffre). Les boîtiers de ces antennes sont toujours métalliques mais ils sont peints en noir. Le tube fixe où vient se ranger le brin d'antenne est particulièrement long, de sorte que le boîtier contenant le moteur vient se fixer en bas de la contre-aile, sur une petite patte soudée tout en bas du passage de roue. Cette patte soudée était montée de série (même si la voiture sortait d'usine sans antenne). Toutefois, elle n'est présente que sur les autos produites entre août 1974 et septembre 1976.

A partir d'octobre 1976, les antennes montées sont des 6.000 U (exactement des 6.000 U 462 dans les W116). Le coffrage de ces antennes est toujours entièrement métallique et, il est de nouveau laissé à l'état brut (sans peinture). Apparemment, une garniture spécifique venait cacher l'antenne dans le coffre. Vers 1978, les garnitures de contre-aile ont été modifiées de sorte que la garniture de série intègre un logement pour l'antenne permettant à celle-ci d'être camouflée sans avoir recours à une garniture spécifique additionnelle.
Sur ces Hirschmann 6.000 U, le tube de rangement du brin est très court et la patte tenant le boîtier du moteur vient donc se fixer à la caisse beaucoup plus haut que sur les anciennes 6.000 H.

Je vais tenter de répondre plus particulièrement à tes questions :

1 : les antennes actuelles portant différentes références Mercedes sont semblables mais ont toutes une spécificité qui justifiera une référence particulière, ce peut être au niveau de la fiche de connexion, de la patte de fixation, de la longueur du brin, de la longueur du tube de rangement du brin. Les Hirschmann 6.000 du temps des W116 ne portaient pas encore de référence Mercedes gravée sur le boîtier, mais elles avaient une référence Hirschmann propre. Ainsi, l'Hirschmann 6000U 462 des W116 se distinguait de l'Hirschmann 6000U 461 des W107 par une fiche de connexion et une patte de fixation différente. J'ai déjà converti une 461 pour la monter sur une W116, c'est finalement assez simple.

2 : les antennes 6.000 H des W116 utilisaient des brins de 110 cm et les 6.000 U des brins de 100 cm. Je ne connais pas la longueur des brins des 6.000 EL et KE (les modèles avec boîtier en plastique noir).
Quant aux boîtiers, les EL utilisent des boîtiers de dimensions semblables à ceux des 6.000 U. En revanche, les KE me semblent plus volumineuses et je ne suis pas certain qu'elles puissent être installées derrière la garniture de contre-aile d'une W116.

3 : Les antennes Hirschmann à boîtier métal ne sont plus produites et je ne connais aucune entreprise proposant des modèles reconditionnées en échange standard.

4 : Je ne connais pas de kit de réfection pour ces antennes (en dehors des brins de remplacement). De mon côté, je n'en ai jamais eu besoin, j'ai toujours pu remettre en état mes Hirschmann 6000 sans remplacer aucune autre pièce que le brin.
Même une 6.000 H restée vingt ans dehors dans une casse avec le brin cassé à sa base a pu reprendre vie après un démontage et un nettoyage minutieux (malgré la gangue de boue et de rouille qui entourait les éléments situés en bas du boîtier). Elle est désormais montée sur la 450SEL de mon père et fonctionne correctement, plus lentement que la moyenne mais sans le moindre bruit suspect

5 : Je ne pense pas qu'on puisse transférer les organes d'une Hirschmann récente dans un boîtier ancien, les organes internes sont trop différents. Ou alors, il faut modifier le boîtier, pour supprimer les points de fixation d'origine et en créer de nouveau permettant d'ancrer le nouveau mécanisme.

6 : En dehors des modèles USA, toutes les antennes électriques montées en usine sur les W116 étaient automatiques, donc elles se levaient lorsqu'on allumait la radio et elles redescendaient après l'extinction de celle-ci.
A partir du mois d'août 1974, tous les exemplaires sortaient d'usine avec un câble coaxial d'antenne déjà installé, et le câblage électrique pour la commande de l'antenne. On trouve dans le coffre une fiche de connexion à quatre pôles avec trois câbles à l'intérieur. Le câble rouge est alimenté en + 12 V permanent. Le câble marron est relié à la masse. Le câble bleu doit pouvoir être retrouvé dans l'emplacement de l'autoradio et se brancher sur la borne "+ antenne" ou "+auxiliaire" de l'autoradio.
Quant au branchement de l'antenne sur la fiche de connexion du coffre, il doit être fait de la manière suivante :
- câble rouge antenne sur câble rouge auto
- câble noir antenne sur câble marron auto
- câble blanc antenne sur câble bleu auto

Moyennant quoi, l'antenne doit être commandée par l'allumage et l'extinction de l'autoradio

7 : L'ajustement de la hauteur peut correspondre à deux choses distinctes :

- un montage qui existait sur les modèles USA pour que l'antenne fonctionne en mode semi-automatique, elle était alors commandée par un interrupteur et non par l'autoradio, l'utilisateur pouvait décider de lever partiellement ou complètement l'antenne. En mode automatique, c'est impossible, l'antenne ne peut être que complètement déployée ou complètement rétractée.

- un dispositif interne permettait sur les 6.000 H  de monter des brins de longueur différente, les W116 utilisaient des brins 110 cm mais il était possible de monter également des brins 90 ou 130 cm. Dans, ce cas, il suffisait de modifier la position d'une pièce à l'intérieur du boîtier d'antenne pour ajuster le nombre de tours du moteur à la longueur du brin. Cette possibilité a disparu sur les 6.000 U.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: rumb on 24 November 2015, 05:18 AM
Hirschmann data from a French fanatic; of course, I mentioned here that electric antennas mounted at the factory on the W116, so this eliminates manual antennas, vintage electric antennas installed in props (often Japanese antennas) and antennas mounted later. The electric antennas mounted at the factory on W116 are exclusively Hirschmann 6000 with all-metal housing. From the start of production (1972), until July 1974, these are Hirschmann 6000 H mounted in the right-front fender, the housing is metallic and no particular finish.
From August 1974 until September 1976, the antennas are still 6,000 H but are now mounted in the rear wing-left ( the chest). The housings of these antennas are still metal but they are painted black. Where does the fixed tube to pull the antenna wire is particularly long, so that the housing containing the motor is fixed against the bottom of the wing on a small lug welded to the bottom of the wheel arch. This welded leg was fitted as standard (even if the car out factory without antenna). However, it is only present on cars produced between August 1974 and September 1976. From October 1976 the mounted antennas are 6.000 U (6.000 U of exactly 462 in the W116).
The shuttering of these antennas is always full metal and it is again left to the raw (painting). Apparently, a specific trim had to hide the antenna in the boot. Towards 1978 against the wing-linings were changed so that the gasket includes a series of housing for the antenna allows it to be concealed without using additional specific trim. Of these 6,000 U Hirschmann, the strand of the storage tube is very short and the tab into the motor housing thus is fixed to the body much higher than on the old 6000 H.

I will try to answer your questions more specifically:
1: current antennas wearing different Mercedes references are similar but all have specificity justify particular reference, it may be at the connection plug of the bracket, the length of the strand, the length of the strand storage tube. Hirschmann 6000 time of W116 were not wearing yet Mercedes number stamped on the housing, but they had a clean Hirschmann reference. Thus, the 6000U Hirschmann 462 of W116 differed from W107 Hirschmann 6000U 461 of a connector plug and a different bracket.
 I have already converted 461 for a ride on a W116 is actually quite simple.
2: 6000 H antennas W116 used strands of 110 cm and 6.000 U 100 cm strands. I do not know the length of the strands of the EL 6000 and KE (models with black plastic case). As for the boxes, using dimensions EL boxes similar to those of 6000 U. In contrast, seem larger KE me and I'm not sure they can be installed behind the trim against a wing-W116.
3: metal housing Hirschmann antennae are no longer produced and I know of no company offering reconditioned models remanufactured.
4: I do not know repair kit for these antennas (outside replacement strands). For my part, I have never needed, I could always restore my Hirschmann 6000 without replacing anything other than the strand. Even a 6000 H remained twenty years apart in a broken strand breaks with his Basic was able to resume life after disassembly and thorough cleaning (despite the gangue of mud and rust surrounding the elements at the bottom of the enclosure). It is now mounted on the 450SEL my father and working properly, slower than average, but without the slightest suspicious noise
: I do not think we can transfer the bodies to a recent Hirschmann in an old box, organs internals are too different. Or, you must change the case, to remove the original mounting points and create new to anchor the new mechanism.
6: Outside the US models, all electrical antennas mounted at the factory on the W116 were automatic, so they rose when they turned on the radio and coming back down after the extinction of it. From August 1974 all copies came from the factory with an antenna coaxial cable already installed, and electrical wiring for controlling the antenna. It is found in the trunk a connection plug four pole with three cables inside. The red cable is supplied with + 12 V permanent. Brown wire is connected to ground. The blue wire must be found in the location of the radio and connect to the terminal "+ antenna" or "+ auxiliary" of the receiver.
As for the antenna connection on the trunk connector plug, it must be done as follows: - Red antenna cable red cable car - black antenna cable to brown cable car - white antenna cable to the blue cable car Whereby, the antenna must be controlled by switching on and off the radio
7: The height adjustment can be separate things - a montage that existed on the US model for the antenna to work in semi-automatic mode, it was then controlled by a switch and not by the radio, the user could decide to lift partially or completely the antenna. In automatic mode, it is impossible, the antenna can only be fully extended or fully retracted. - An internal device allowed about 6,000 H to mount strands of different lengths, the W116 using strands 110 cm but it was possible also mount 90 or 130 cm strands. In this case, it was enough to change the position of a part i inside the antenna housing to adjust the number of motor revolutions to the length of the strand. This possibility has disappeared about 6,000 U.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: rumb on 24 November 2015, 05:56 AM
Back to flagstaffs, I finally ran into the diagram again under 116.036,  #81 equipment interior appointments, 56012 flagstaff.

Rod is 1208100084 listed as available at dealer for $192.40  http://www.mboemparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1208100084

fixture 1108100081 $46.62
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 24 November 2015, 09:43 PM
 :o :o :o :o!!
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 25 November 2015, 02:09 AM
But don't forget.....you'll also need the rubber pads that go between the fixture holder and the fender, part number 110-818-00-97, (about $6.00 each), you'll need the backing plate that goes on the inside of the fender, part number 110-818-00-16, ($31 each), and, of course the nuts and lock washers that hold it to the fender....part numbers N009021-005205 (need 4), N912004-005103 (need 4), and N000934-005008, (need 4).  We used to be able to buy the "range of delivery", which was a kit that included everything.  When I ordered my last two kits, I was told there were only 4 kits left.  I got two of them, and I imagine Classic pulled the remaining two to stash away never to be seen again. 

However, you must be ok with drilling holes in your fenders.  It's the only way they mount.  A lot of people get the flag staffs and the parking poles mixed up and think they're one in the same.  They may look similar, but both have different purposes and both also mount in different places.....with the parking poles mounted on the bumpers. 

In order to correctly mount the flag staffs, you'll have to refer to the "Special Equipment" book for W116 cars.  It'll have a template that you can photo copy and use, or you can simply use measurements if you are good with taking measurements. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 25 November 2015, 07:23 AM
Good to have that clarified.
I kinda left the flagpole idea behind for ethical reasons, aesthetic reasons, and the drilling part.
I DID however corner the Japanese market for MB-supplied vintage corner poles. I got a nice fat collection of them here now, all 7 pairs of them, born as poles for other old Benzes, R107, W126 and W124. They will be refurbished brand new, and put up for sale for the org members. They will have custom-made non-invasive, straight-fit mounting brackets for W116, for Euro bumpers.
I managed to get 2 pairs with lights inside the top MB logo, that connect to the head light switch. No complaints possible from the fashionista, coz they came in an official MB box. No matter they were MB Japan-only. They're MB still.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 25 November 2015, 01:09 PM
Is the Hirschmann Hit Auta 8900S an original antenna for the W116? Seen them in 280CE..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 28 November 2015, 06:53 PM
Now that explains why I have my antenna at the front of the car - I wonder how much that cost. :-\

I think this actually changed at some point of production.
Maybe it was even model dependant?

My (now scrapped) 350SE had the antenna on its front-right wing. The 450SE has it on the rear-left.
Both were stock, factory delivered Hirschmann motorised units.

The front antenna was standard in 1973 and 1974.  1977 and later all had the rear antenna.  Not certain about 1975 or 1976 as I haven't owned one of those.  I think the 1973 style persisted until 1976 though - this includes many other things, like the seat belts, steering column/wheel spline size, cruise control on the dash versus a stalk, windshield washer operated by foot pedal versus the stalk, horizontal rear defroster lines versus nearly-invisible vertical defroster wires between the layers of glass, dash with speakers underneath versus on top, lots of little interior differences, etc.  As a general rule, I prefer the older style though there are notable exceptions such as the antenna, seat belts, and rear defroster.

1973 450's, at least in America, are the most powerful at 200hp as they had no requirement for emission controls.  1973 American cars also got "rest-of-the-world"-like bumpers - they are identical metal to the euros with the addition of two rubber knobs on each, smaller than the newer American style.  1973 was the only year to get a stepped contour on the dash wood - all later years were flat.  If I remember correctly, 1973 was the only year in which Ebony dash wood was available as well.

Whether in the front or the back, there are 3 distinct TYPES of Antennas in W116's.  Mechanical manual, electrically-operated manual, and automatic with manual adjustment capability.

I just junked a 1977 450SEL that had TWO rear Hirshmann antennas, one on either side of the trunk.  The one on the right was added by a previous owner post-production, for what reason I cannot say.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 02 December 2015, 05:56 PM
http://sternklassik.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/sterklassik-w123-w116-optoin-prospekt.pdf

Another option brochure.


W116 phone pictures
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 02 December 2015, 05:57 PM
old  one
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 02 December 2015, 06:05 PM
more pics
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 02 December 2015, 06:06 PM
and these
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 02 December 2015, 06:12 PM
and this
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: rumb on 03 December 2015, 04:54 AM
found this brochure with luggage.
http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/W116_info72.html
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 03 December 2015, 06:35 AM
This is from a car that I tried to purchase - made a deposit on it but then the seller changed his mind and refunded me:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1979%20Euro%206_9/2013-07-01_175355_zps137d270d.jpg)

Note the hazard switch moved to the upper right, next to the seat heater switches:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1979%20Euro%206_9/2013-06-28074813_zps570166f8.jpg)

Also, rear reclining seat:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1979%20Euro%206_9/2013-06-28074918_zps4eaa7844.jpg)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 03 December 2015, 06:44 AM
On the bright side, I have another car with the rear reclining seats:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1978%20Euro%206_9/fc29887d8a6edb428d1ec25958a801b7_zps1d1c9c5d.jpg)

I have NO IDEA what this is:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1978%20Euro%206_9/0a5b76f17914be4d87453837da0948f8_zps05926997.jpg)

Or this:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1978%20Euro%206_9/b1bb23d49f1959a636a3363fee9ff28a_zpsf11a1952.jpg)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 03 December 2015, 06:47 AM
(http://forum.w116.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12070.0;attach=4317;image)

That is not a W116.

Quote
(http://forum.w116.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12070.0;attach=4321;image)

Also not a W116.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 03 December 2015, 07:00 AM
(http://forum.w116.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12070.0;attach=4325;image)

That is an early prototype steering wheel, I think only on a handful of 1972 or maybe 1973 cars.  However the wiper stalk is a late model from the late 70's that doesn't match.  Nor does the later-style flat dash wood.  Zebrano center console pieces did not exist until later years either.  Similarly, this has velour carpet trim under the dash, which did not exist in the early years.  The zebrano shifter was not offered by Mercedes - it is an aftermarket option.  That weird stalk thing coming up on the right side of the wheel - no idea what that is but it's certainly not OEM.  Same for the wired thing sitting to the right of the shifter.  The carpets are also aftermarket.

Hard to guess about the phone but this looks like a late-model W116 that somebody stuck an early prototype wheel and aftermarket shifter knob into.  One with no air conditioning.

Early vs. late stalks:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/0C7776A9-152E-40C4-A25A-86A0E04EFB48_zpsuynn36ty.jpg)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 03 December 2015, 07:09 AM
That weird stalk thing coming up on the right side of the wheel - no idea what that is but it's certainly not OEM.  Same for the wired thing sitting to the right of the shifter.

Both are OEM. It's an add-on to the original Becker audio system. Basically, a dictaphone.
The thing beside the steering wheel is the control unit, and the one beside the shifter is the wired microphone.

It's an extremely rare option.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 03 December 2015, 07:20 AM
Both are OEM. It's an add-on to the original Becker audio system. Basically, a dictaphone.
The thing beside the steering wheel is the control unit, and the one beside the shifter is the wired microphone.

It's an extremely rare option.

Ah, my mistake, what is the purpose of this contraption?  In any case the car pictured as a whole is not in OEM condition.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 03 December 2015, 10:54 AM
Just when I thought I was getting to the end of my option list! Now I need to go find a dictaphone.. ;D

Ampere and Volt meters? Even though one is VDO, they don't look stock to me. Would Benz not choose identical looking gauges?

Reclining seats.. now those I would like to retrofit.. Guess it would mean getting a completely different rear seat, eh?
Casey? Can you provide?

And now I need to go flog my zebrano shift sticks on eBay. Good thing they're still in the box and bought at a good discount..

The "suitcase" brochure does not mention these cases are W116. It is merely a brand comparison speech about the size of the W116 trunk. I still have not seen proof W116 ever had factory suitcases available. I been shopping for era-exact sets in leather instead.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: tcj on 03 December 2015, 11:09 AM
(doublette)

Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Guillaume C on 03 December 2015, 11:15 AM
That weird stalk thing coming up on the right side of the wheel - no idea what that is but it's certainly not OEM.  Same for the wired thing sitting to the right of the shifter.

You're right, it's not OEM Becker option. It's Blaupunkt Berlin radio.

Not OEM but the most expensive car radio in the late 70's.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: tcj on 03 December 2015, 11:17 AM
Hi Floyd,

Quote
Reclining seats.. now those I would like to retrofit.. Guess it would mean getting a completely different rear seat, eh?

adjustable rear seat: try it here and expect to do some serious welding:
http://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/w116,-450sel-6-9,-el-ruecksitzbank-zum-nachruesten/235659452-223-8646 (http://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/w116,-450sel-6-9,-el-ruecksitzbank-zum-nachruesten/235659452-223-8646)

My 6.9 also has an adjustable rear seat, when  he arrives at home in a few weeks I can provide details and photos if you really wish
to retrofit it.

Quote
The "suitcase" brochure does not mention these cases are W116. It is merely a brand comparison speech about the size of the W116 trunk. I still have not seen proof W116 ever had factory suitcases available.
no, the suitcases shown in the photo are correct.
I do have such a set, I have described it here:
http://forum.mercedesclub.de/index.php/Thread/15041-Prospekte-gesucht-von-Koffersets-für-W110-W111-W108-etc/?pageNo=2 (http://forum.mercedesclub.de/index.php/Thread/15041-Prospekte-gesucht-von-Koffersets-für-W110-W111-W108-etc/?pageNo=2)
Additionally the user M.Wolff shows the german price list for the w116 which mentions the suitcases ("Koffersatz") available to the W116. The covering ("Kofferbezug") is not leather but synthetics "Kunststoff sourana schwarz"


best regards,
Thomas
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Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 03 December 2015, 11:24 AM
Yes, I WOULD love such seats, and in the face of the gigantic job I have undertaken, this one really doesn't worry me. I am already way in over my head, so who cares.
Does GAHH offer covers for the reclining seats?
Will the regular W116 horse hair seat pads fit?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 03 December 2015, 11:30 AM
..but after shopping for gorgeous leather vintage suitcase sets for the last 48 hours, these original skai cases really look depressing to me.
Still, good to see yet another mystery solved, I guess. W116 DID have factory suitcases.

Now, back to those reclining seats.
I sure hope someone can give me a break on the price of such a kit..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: tcj on 03 December 2015, 11:38 AM
Hi Floyd,

Quote
Does GAHH offer covers for the reclining seats?

you will find velour-cover here:
http://www.steenbuck-web.de/mercedes_polstervelour_wollvelour.htm (http://www.steenbuck-web.de/mercedes_polstervelour_wollvelour.htm)

Quote
Will the regular W116 horse hair seat pads fit?
no, it is another shape.

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I sure hope someone can give me a break on the price of such a kit..
just look at the price shown in this ad: EUR 600.
And make sure you have a SEL, the adjustable rear seat will not suit a short W116.
http://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/w116,-450sel-6-9,-el-ruecksitzbank-zum-nachruesten/235659452-223-8646 (http://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/w116,-450sel-6-9,-el-ruecksitzbank-zum-nachruesten/235659452-223-8646)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 03 December 2015, 11:49 AM
oooooooooohh..no SEL. Maybe a smaller gas tank? Haha!
Ah well, it was a nice dream while it lasted.
What does one do if the seat pads are old with reclining seats? It's already difficult enough finding new regular seat pads.
And, my cars will have no velours, I am afraid. But I will check your contact. Maybe it's still possible. It can't be more expensive then new Bambus leather?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 03 December 2015, 01:19 PM
You're right, it's not OEM Becker option. It's Blaupunkt Berlin radio.
Not OEM but the most expensive car radio in the late 70's.

Indeed. I was quite certain I've seen it as an option in an official price list, but I stand corrected.
One less thing for Stan to buy then :)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 03 December 2015, 01:28 PM
Reclining seats.. now those I would like to retrofit.. Guess it would mean getting a completely different rear seat, eh?
Casey? Can you provide?

Hahaha, no!  It is *the* reason I bought the euro 6.9 I did, and tried to buy a second one.  You'll have a tough time finding a car with them!  I don't have any idea how many cars were made with them, but not many.  Not only is all the rear seat hardware different (including the seat skins), but the metal underneath the seat is different to accommodate the motor, etc. plus you have to worry about the wiring.  If you want the option you pretty much need to find a car that has it already.  It is a wonderful option though!

I am pretty sure GAHH will make skins for the seats, and probably pads too.

I don't see any reason why they couldn't be fitted to a short wheelbase car - you would just have 10cm less leg room.  It does not move forward *that* much though, so unless the front seats were far back, it should work, no?  However, as said above you are much better off just buying a car that has it already.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 03 December 2015, 01:33 PM
you will find velour-cover here:
http://www.steenbuck-web.de/mercedes_polstervelour_wollvelour.htm (http://www.steenbuck-web.de/mercedes_polstervelour_wollvelour.htm)

Good luck in dealing with those guys. Never responded to emails, and when my restorer eventually got through over the phone turns out they don't have stock.
Oh, and they only deal with workshops in wholesale quantities and don't ship outside of Europe. I've yet to see a business less interested in actually selling anything.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: daantjie on 03 December 2015, 01:41 PM
Reclining seats.. now those I would like to retrofit.. Guess it would mean getting a completely different rear seat, eh?
Casey? Can you provide?

Hahaha, no!  It is *the* reason I bought the euro 6.9 I did, and tried to buy a second one.  You'll have a tough time finding a car with them!  I don't have any idea how many cars were made with them, but not many.  Not only is all the rear seat hardware different (including the seat skins), but the metal underneath the seat is different to accommodate the motor, etc. plus you have to worry about the wiring.  If you want the option you pretty much need to find a car that has it already.  It is a wonderful option though!

I am pretty sure GAHH will make skins for the seats, and probably pads too.

I don't see any reason why they couldn't be fitted to a short wheelbase car - you would just have 10cm less leg room.  It does not move forward *that* much though, so unless the front seats were far back, it should work, no?  However, as said above you are much better off just buying a car that has it already.

Reclining rear seat is a very rare option.  Heated seats fairly common but not the reclining rear bench.  Cool but much of a muchness IMHO.  Just one more thing to break and cause a dent in the ol' wallet :o
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 03 December 2015, 02:29 PM
And now I need to go flog my zebrano shift sticks on eBay. Good thing they're still in the box and bought at a good discount..

I would possibly be interested in them...
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 03 December 2015, 06:26 PM
I'll look it up and see what I paid. I remember they weren't expensive, since I bought a whole batch of stuff from Eris Design, and they shipped even cheaper. I'll still sell below cost if I can sell one of them. The second car I am doing will be my daily driver, and only a 99% dogmatic original. If the stick looks good when all is done, I'll have it.
Rumb will have to live with the horror of that reality ;D

I can't be losing 10CM of leg space in the back, and the seat pad thing is a big issue, believe me. GAHH, UPH and a pair of German and Dutch companies all have none, with no expected ETA.
MB just released a small batch of them, and when these are gone...well.
I would be highly worried having such a rare rear seat and no pads or covers available.

For audio, I am pretty much sorted.
Even though I am still pondering on the external Becker cassette thing, I have 3 of those Beckers in the warehouse, one apparently brand new with (almost) matching papers, one simply mint, and one Becker TG that was a slim fit for a Porsche 356 and MG. Need to sell that one, silly me.
Even though the Becker system will function perfectly, a secondary invisible system of headset, multiple amps and speakers will be doing the actual work. Pioneer DEX-P99, JL Audio bass and amps, Focals
That said, I totally understand the Blaupunkt Berlin thing..

Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: rumb on 04 December 2015, 06:44 AM
NOS SUNROOF WIND DEFLECTOR

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-70-80-genuine-SUNROOF-WIND-DEFLECTOR-NOS-W123-W116-W126-W115-/221959352277?hash=item33adceefd5:g:piEAAOxy-WxTB4Ub&vxp=mtr


10 or more available
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 04 December 2015, 07:10 AM
MB just released a small batch of them, and when these are gone...well.

Where can I order these and for how much?

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I would be highly worried having such a rare rear seat and no pads or covers available.

Well any good uphosterer can make copy seat skins.  I believe reproduction pads should not be too difficult to make either, though I have not looked for a company which can make custom horsehair pads.  It should be pretty straightforward as I believe they should be easy to make.  I have also had a car which had custom pads done by an upholsterer - a thin closed cell foam bottom layer, and a softer open cell foam upper layer, with the skins over that.  It sounds cheap but actually felt very nice to sit on and the pieces were cut very carefully for a perfect fit.  The seat still felt very original because of the the metal spring design under the pads.  I won't do that as long as I can still get horsehair pads, but if they should become unavailable, I would.

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Even though the Becker system will function perfectly, a secondary invisible system of headset, multiple amps and speakers will be doing the actual work. Pioneer DEX-P99, JL Audio bass and amps, Focals

Just please don't do some of the atrocities that have been done to some of my cars - the euro 6.9 has a subwoofer mounted in the center of the rear dash and speakers mounted into the doors, meaning the panels and metal have been cut to accommodate this.  I have seen other W116's with cut door metal and panels, and it is just sad.  I will likely be replacing all four doors on mine and finding somebody to weld a patch in to the back metal.  In addition the car has an amp bolted to the floor of the trunk - the bolts go *THROUGH* the trunk liner rubber mat and carpet, which aren't even lined up properly.  So I will have to have that removed (not easy, because the bolt heads are underneath the amp which is locked into a solid metal bolted-on base and I don't have the key), the holes patched, and the trunk liner and carpet replaced.  All in all a lot of work but it's worth it to me to do for the reclining rear seat.

I'd rather just put in a radio blank plate than have this sort of sloppy destructive crap done to a car.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 04 December 2015, 12:11 PM
Finally figured out what I was thinking when I bought the Becker Cassette in the first place...

The Becker Mexico Cassette has an Aux input on the back, but it is Mono, not Stereo.  Since the Cassette was built-in, the Aux port in this case was intended primarily for use with a CB Radio.

The Becker Grand Prix has a *Stereo* Aux input on the back, and also has auto-tuning ability for the radio, which the Mexico does not have.  The Aux port in this case was intended primarily for use with the Cassette unit.

So my thought was that a Becker Grand Prix plus the Becker Cassette should give the a technically superior setup while still being period correct and allowing for cassette playback.  A switch could be added to the Aux input cabling, so that you could switch between the cassette and another input source, such as a standard 3.5mm jack for an iPod, a Bluetooth module, a CB Radio, or whatever else.  I think the second Hirshmann antenna in the 450SEL I scrapped was for a CB Radio, although I'm not sure it was the most ideal antenna for that purpose.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 04 December 2015, 03:19 PM

Where can I order these and for how much?

Hi Casey.  The part numbers for the available rear seat pads are as follows: 116-920-03-16 (currently lists for $570) and 116-924-01-14 (currently lists for $570, as well).

Obviously, they can be had a little less expensive if you can buy wholesale, but even the wholesale prices aren't that attractive.  Around $420 each.   

You can order them from any dealership. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 04 December 2015, 10:58 PM
I bought them from www.maff.ro
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 05 December 2015, 12:53 AM
I tried that website, but no part number i type in is any good, and I can't understand the language.  Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 December 2015, 03:33 AM
type a1169240114 exactly, no spaces.

The price listed is  not correct. The exact cost ex VAT is what I explained it to be before.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 05 December 2015, 04:56 AM
type a1169240114 exactly, no spaces.

The price listed is  not correct. The exact cost ex VAT is what I explained it to be before.

But, as I've found out last week, they won't ship outside Romania. My order with them for a nice four figures, plus shipping within the EU, got cancelled and I've never heard back from them again.

It's a pity, because they have prices which none of my other EU sources can beat, even with 24% VAT accounted for.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 December 2015, 05:09 AM
Come on, not so grim, so quick..
They have had internal changes over the last month and are trying to catch up with back orders.
I deal with them regularly, and just faced 10 days of silence myself. Yesterday they recommenced processing my old emails and have asked me to confirm new orders again.
Just send them a fresh email and mention my name. Should be fine.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 December 2015, 02:29 PM
What's this all about?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 06 December 2015, 04:32 PM
Is it an evaporative drain trey for the trunk mounted cooler?  or maybe the same for a rear A/C unit?  Just guessing. :)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 December 2015, 07:47 PM
All I know is it is supposed to fit where the spare wheel sits. Can't tell whether this is aftermarket or genuine, but more then anything else, I'd like to know it's purpose.
I would first worry about humidity getting trapped underneath, haha
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: tcj on 07 December 2015, 01:00 AM
Hi Floyd,

this is where these go. But I do not know for which trunk yours was build.
Is it your trunk box? Tried to put it in the trunk of your 116?

Thomas
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 07 December 2015, 05:19 AM
Hi Thomas,

The one I speak of is for W116, for sure, but..is this an OEM item?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 07 December 2015, 05:34 AM
The one I speak of is for W116, for sure, but..is this an OEM item?

Why are you "sure"? I think you are mistaken. If it was for a W116 truly, it would not have the cutout on the right to accommodate the spare tire whice sat vertically on that side in older models (which had the gas tank under the trunk instead).

EDIT: Well yours is not the same as TCJ's, sorry. But it does not look W116 to me still.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: revilla on 07 December 2015, 02:21 PM
guys, we might be overthinking the whole thing.  I think it's just a little pool for the pets in a hot summer day  ;D

Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 07 December 2015, 03:28 PM
no indeed, it is not the same, but the car in the photo is also not a W116.
However, it sure seems to be the same concept, maybe even the same factory
It's an odd thing, and I would like to get to the bottom of this..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 09 December 2015, 06:46 PM
Just heard the trunk thingy carries the number H106/107 2 70
Does that ring a bell with anyone?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Casey on 29 December 2015, 10:42 AM
My 6.9's phone is definitely aftermarket, not factory:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1978%20Euro%206_9/F9C1608D-8836-469B-A9F4-2CAE7858325C_zpsmyihenzt.jpg)

I still have no idea what that extra wood with a red light mounted in it is for...maybe part of an aftermarket car alarm?  There were blue Fiamm horns mounted under the hood.  I removed them already as the wiring was broken and it did not appear to be factory either.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 January 2016, 10:01 AM
just received a mail with this photo'..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 January 2016, 10:02 AM
and this
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 05 January 2016, 05:13 PM
OK, so now we know what it looks like,....so does anyone know how/where this mounts in the glove box? 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 January 2016, 08:41 PM
I have the option to buy it next week.. Not sure whether to do so.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 05 January 2016, 09:27 PM
If the price is right, buy it.  Whether you use it or not won't make too much difference, especially if it ends up being passed on to another W116 member.  :) 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 January 2016, 10:17 PM
That is true. Was it you or Ptashek that asked about this item last week?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: UTn_boy on 05 January 2016, 10:41 PM
It was I. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: s class on 05 January 2016, 11:17 PM
My 6.9's phone is definitely aftermarket, not factory:

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/cshobe/Cars/1978%20Euro%206_9/F9C1608D-8836-469B-A9F4-2CAE7858325C_zpsmyihenzt.jpg)

I still have no idea what that extra wood with a red light mounted in it is for...maybe part of an aftermarket car alarm?  There were blue Fiamm horns mounted under the hood.  I removed them already as the wiring was broken and it did not appear to be factory either.

The extra wood panel originally housed the VK5 verkerskurier control, early analog traffic RDS system.  Quite a few 6.9's seem to have had this option.  On your car, the switch has been removed and covered over with a home-made black panel. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 January 2016, 05:57 AM
So this is the item that needs the modified, special glove box?

In all cases, I will await the price. Very likely I will pass it on. The items in my cars all need to be crispy new old stock.
Also, I have my hands full invisibly fitting the (secondary) high end audiophile system. I already avoided the cassette-Becker and went for the mono-version, to avoid further complications/breakdowns in the future.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 January 2016, 06:06 AM
talking points..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: s class on 06 January 2016, 06:08 AM
I know of a few centre-divider cars, but first time I've seen it in a SWB. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 January 2016, 06:08 AM
and these
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 January 2016, 06:10 AM
more options
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 January 2016, 06:16 AM
talking points..

I really need one of those lamp cases, but is this the original one? Seems a french aftermarket product..
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 January 2016, 06:20 AM
more data regarding the Becker Radiotelefon

http://www.oebl.de/A-Netz/Geraete/becker/Radiotelefon/Radiotelefon.html
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 06 January 2016, 06:25 AM
Needless to say, if anyone knows of anyone selling any of the gadgest in the photos I posted, please let me know..

The photo that shows the tedake phone.. what is that radio in the dashboard? Is it a radio? or a dictaphone? Is it for cassettes?

The photo that shows the divider.. what is that radio-looking device next to the airco-control?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: wbrian63 on 06 January 2016, 09:01 AM
I think the radio-looking thing is a remote control for the up-front unit. That's how they handled remote audio on the 600's.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 09 January 2016, 08:52 PM
Was this ever an official W116 option?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 10 January 2016, 03:30 AM
Quote from: floyd111
Was this ever an official W116 option?

Couldn't have been. Wrong gear sequence.
It should be PRNDLS, and no 4th gear.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Beastie on 10 January 2016, 03:43 AM
'S' comes before 'L'. It's "PRNDSL". I use 'S' all the time because my 280 has a tall 4th gear and no torque. The layout looks like it would match a 280. As for it ever being an official option I have no idea, but would guess... no.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: s class on 13 January 2016, 05:26 AM
NO.

As stated that shift pattern is incorrect.  That belongs on a pagoda, or some early 108's. 
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: hagar24 on 13 January 2016, 09:29 AM
Was this ever an official W116 option?
Not hi jacking, just want to know if this is metal, and if it is, where can I get one?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Beastie on 13 January 2016, 09:52 AM
NO.

As stated that shift pattern is incorrect.  That belongs on a pagoda, or some early 108's.

It's incorrect in the sense that it's not from a W116 and is most likely from a W108 but what is "incorrect" about the shift pattern? The shift pattern for a 116 is certainly not PRNDLS as ptashek stated...

(http://i.imgur.com/FFTkaGi.jpg)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 13 January 2016, 10:13 AM
Go away, Hagar.. it's mine, haha!

All fun aside.. is it possible there are W116's with different gear sequence? How come this is even a topic of discussion? Does it not suffice to walk to your car and write it down fo posterity sake?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Beastie on 13 January 2016, 10:33 AM
Go away, Hagar.. it's mine, haha!

All fun aside.. is it possible there are W116's with different gear sequence? How come this is even a topic of discussion? Does it not suffice to walk to your car and write it down fo posterity sake?

I'm up very early and it's still dark outside but I've edited a photo into my post above. You a Seinfeld fan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdo3BP3m42I&feature=youtu.be&t=3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdo3BP3m42I&feature=youtu.be&t=3s)
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 13 January 2016, 11:10 AM
The shift pattern for a 116 is certainly not PRNDLS as ptashek stated...

Yep, got my L's and S's mixed up, quoting from distant memory I might add.
Have mercy, I haven't seen my car's shifter for over two years :D
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 04 February 2016, 06:47 AM
A closer look at volt, amp and outside temp meters as w116 option

The photo underneath has ruled the topic for quite some time, suggesting a standard of some sorts, but I just debunked it.
The outside temp meter, for one, is a VDO, but an aftermarket in-the-box VDO Cockpit Series gauge.
It is not a w116 part.
The gauge that should have been there should have had an MB number, and no red markers in the visible display. All black'n white.
I always had my doubts about that one. How ugly is it to have a black bezel and a chrome bezel side-by side? In a car worth as much as a Rolls?
Now I know that is a botch DIY aftermarket job.
The actual VDO Cockpit in that photo is still for sale, NOS, on eBay.

The amp meter is correct, size wise, Amps-wise, but also in color, bezel and it has an MB part number, from the A115 series.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: tcj on 04 February 2016, 10:27 AM
Hi Stan,

may I disagree?
My 6.9 has an outside temperature gauge from factory. And it looks like the one in your photo:
black bezel, red "0".
When I take it out I can see the date this gauge was made: a month before my 116 was delivered.
So I am quite sure my gauge was never replaced. So it should be a genuine mercedes part.

Thomas
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Jed on 04 February 2016, 07:52 PM
I also that it was odd having the black bezel next to the chromed bezel....
but I also suspect it is original.  my 76 6.9 has the same set up.\\
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 February 2016, 02:57 AM
There may have been a life-span replacement issue, or maybe it was indeed a Benz-supplied matter.
However, it is very odd that the amp meter is a MB-numbered VDO, and the outside temp-meter has no such number, and is readily available in the same version as the VDO Cockpit.-aftermarket
At the same time, the R107 HAS a MB-numbered amp meter, that fits era, bezel and diameter.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 February 2016, 03:42 AM
This one.. Original MB
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 05 February 2016, 04:53 AM
btw..the rubber ring comes off, it's just a protection for the bezel. It'll end up looking like to one we know.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 08 February 2016, 10:58 PM
If you thought that the becker car phone was a bit bulky.. have a look at what it looked like in older cars:
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 22 February 2016, 05:55 PM
Hi Floyd,

this is where these go. But I do not know for which trunk yours was build.
Is it your trunk box? Tried to put it in the trunk of your 116?

Thomas

Just found out these tubs WERE MB-factory supplied, for W123. Not sure about W116 yet.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 March 2016, 12:57 AM
Hi Stan,

may I disagree?
My 6.9 has an outside temperature gauge from factory. And it looks like the one in your photo:
black bezel, red "0".
When I take it out I can see the date this gauge was made: a month before my 116 was delivered.
So I am quite sure my gauge was never replaced. So it should be a genuine mercedes part.

Thomas

You say your temp gauge has a part number?
What's the number?
And, while you're at it.. PLEASE check the Ammeter for a part number as well!
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 March 2016, 12:59 AM
The gauges-mystery continues..
By now, i have found out 2 things:
-The Ammeters we speak of still do not have a part number I could trace. They ARE 70A-0-70A, and rare as can be.
There seems to be only 1 model, 60MM, black face,chrome bezel.
I was wondering whether these were uniquely supplied with people with car phones, as part of a Tekade pakage.
Looks like that is not a correct assumption.
-The ext temp meter has always been available in 52 and 60MM, aftermarket
-If you check this link: http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/articles/500E_Mercedes_Classic_Feb-2010.pdf
..you find a report on a 6.9 that was sold, even though it was some form of a prototype, equipped with (non-available/non listed) seat belt un-tensioners and our 2 gauges.
This means that the "red 0" 60MM aftermarket VDO was clearly a factory install, at least in the very beginning, maybe longer.
Somewhere between 1977 (the date of that W116 prototype) and 1989 (ending R107), Mercedes stopped using the "red 0 VDO, black bezel" and decided to develop/order a special mercedes-only VDO with white 0 and and black bezel.
Question is when that was.

I also found out that the temp meters always seem to have had  a black bezel, as far as the few available photos go.
I only found 1 photo where the bezel is in chrome, but there's still a chance that that was black painted, peeled off. I've seen others where that was clearly the case..
I also saw a photo where the 0 seems to be in white (with a black bezel) Regrettably, not a convincing photo quality.
But, the bezels at VDO are always interchangable between black and chrome, available cheaply.
The bezel color may just have been a non-issue for MB at the time.
Still...2 MB gauges with 2 colors bezels. It clearly happened, but how is it possible they didn't care?

Hopefully Thomas can clear this up. He has both gauges, and thus the part numbers.
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: ptashek on 23 March 2016, 08:44 AM
Still...2 MB gauges with 2 colors bezels. It clearly happened, but how is it possible they didn't care?

Low volume, very rare and special order non-listed option => just not worth the manufacturing/engineering expense?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: tcj on 23 March 2016, 11:05 AM
Hello Stan,

sorry - only the temp gauge in my car, no amp gauge. Jed was the one with both dials.
And no Mercedes-part number on it - just this embossed number:

314.264/4/1   12V     10/77

And a typical VDO-Stamp  "723 11/77"

Another date: I have a photo of another temp gauge (also black bezel) with embossed and printed Date 1.79.

Thomas

Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: Jed on 23 March 2016, 03:49 PM
Ill check tomorrow afternoon when i plan on getting back to the garage....havnt been there in a week...i think i am going into withdrawal
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 March 2016, 09:21 PM
In the meantime, some interesting option-photos:
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 March 2016, 09:23 PM
Notice the ashtray elevation in photo 1?
What's the story there? Anyone seen this before?
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 March 2016, 09:25 PM
And then there were these
Title: Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
Post by: floyd111 on 23 March 2016, 09:31 PM
Anyways..back to the gauges..