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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #135 on: 04 February 2016, 07:52 PM »
I also that it was odd having the black bezel next to the chromed bezel....
but I also suspect it is original.  my 76 6.9 has the same set up.\\
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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #136 on: 05 February 2016, 02:57 AM »
There may have been a life-span replacement issue, or maybe it was indeed a Benz-supplied matter.
However, it is very odd that the amp meter is a MB-numbered VDO, and the outside temp-meter has no such number, and is readily available in the same version as the VDO Cockpit.-aftermarket
At the same time, the R107 HAS a MB-numbered amp meter, that fits era, bezel and diameter.

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #137 on: 05 February 2016, 03:42 AM »
This one.. Original MB
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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #138 on: 05 February 2016, 04:53 AM »
btw..the rubber ring comes off, it's just a protection for the bezel. It'll end up looking like to one we know.

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #139 on: 08 February 2016, 10:58 PM »
If you thought that the becker car phone was a bit bulky.. have a look at what it looked like in older cars:

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #140 on: 22 February 2016, 05:55 PM »
Hi Floyd,

this is where these go. But I do not know for which trunk yours was build.
Is it your trunk box? Tried to put it in the trunk of your 116?

Thomas

Just found out these tubs WERE MB-factory supplied, for W123. Not sure about W116 yet.

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #141 on: 23 March 2016, 12:57 AM »
Hi Stan,

may I disagree?
My 6.9 has an outside temperature gauge from factory. And it looks like the one in your photo:
black bezel, red "0".
When I take it out I can see the date this gauge was made: a month before my 116 was delivered.
So I am quite sure my gauge was never replaced. So it should be a genuine mercedes part.

Thomas

You say your temp gauge has a part number?
What's the number?
And, while you're at it.. PLEASE check the Ammeter for a part number as well!

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #142 on: 23 March 2016, 12:59 AM »
The gauges-mystery continues..
By now, i have found out 2 things:
-The Ammeters we speak of still do not have a part number I could trace. They ARE 70A-0-70A, and rare as can be.
There seems to be only 1 model, 60MM, black face,chrome bezel.
I was wondering whether these were uniquely supplied with people with car phones, as part of a Tekade pakage.
Looks like that is not a correct assumption.
-The ext temp meter has always been available in 52 and 60MM, aftermarket
-If you check this link: http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/articles/500E_Mercedes_Classic_Feb-2010.pdf
..you find a report on a 6.9 that was sold, even though it was some form of a prototype, equipped with (non-available/non listed) seat belt un-tensioners and our 2 gauges.
This means that the "red 0" 60MM aftermarket VDO was clearly a factory install, at least in the very beginning, maybe longer.
Somewhere between 1977 (the date of that W116 prototype) and 1989 (ending R107), Mercedes stopped using the "red 0 VDO, black bezel" and decided to develop/order a special mercedes-only VDO with white 0 and and black bezel.
Question is when that was.

I also found out that the temp meters always seem to have had  a black bezel, as far as the few available photos go.
I only found 1 photo where the bezel is in chrome, but there's still a chance that that was black painted, peeled off. I've seen others where that was clearly the case..
I also saw a photo where the 0 seems to be in white (with a black bezel) Regrettably, not a convincing photo quality.
But, the bezels at VDO are always interchangable between black and chrome, available cheaply.
The bezel color may just have been a non-issue for MB at the time.
Still...2 MB gauges with 2 colors bezels. It clearly happened, but how is it possible they didn't care?

Hopefully Thomas can clear this up. He has both gauges, and thus the part numbers.
« Last Edit: 23 March 2016, 02:19 AM by floyd111 »

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #143 on: 23 March 2016, 08:44 AM »
Still...2 MB gauges with 2 colors bezels. It clearly happened, but how is it possible they didn't care?

Low volume, very rare and special order non-listed option => just not worth the manufacturing/engineering expense?
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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #144 on: 23 March 2016, 11:05 AM »
Hello Stan,

sorry - only the temp gauge in my car, no amp gauge. Jed was the one with both dials.
And no Mercedes-part number on it - just this embossed number:

314.264/4/1   12V     10/77

And a typical VDO-Stamp  "723 11/77"

Another date: I have a photo of another temp gauge (also black bezel) with embossed and printed Date 1.79.

Thomas

112.021
116.028
116.036

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #145 on: 23 March 2016, 03:49 PM »
Ill check tomorrow afternoon when i plan on getting back to the garage....havnt been there in a week...i think i am going into withdrawal
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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #146 on: 23 March 2016, 09:21 PM »
In the meantime, some interesting option-photos:

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #147 on: 23 March 2016, 09:23 PM »
Notice the ashtray elevation in photo 1?
What's the story there? Anyone seen this before?

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #148 on: 23 March 2016, 09:25 PM »
And then there were these

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Re: Option list W116 - The full Monty!
« Reply #149 on: 23 March 2016, 09:31 PM »
Anyways..back to the gauges..