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ptashek

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #30 on: 22 October 2020, 03:45 PM »
And here is a second picture with other car data.

OK, let's give it a try.

116036 12 4029 = 6.9, auto, LHD, chassis #4029
931H = Magnetite Blue Metallic, paint supplier was Dr. Herbert (Standox these days)
629 = French market version (should have yellow reflector, no?)
636 = being a 1979, this code meant elimination of warning triangle (on trunk door)
812 = four speakers
877 = rear reading lamp (on C-pillar panels)
992 = ?
410 = electric sunroof
510 = radio (either Becker Mexico, or Becker Monte Carlo)
531 = automatic antenna
592 = laminated heat insulating safety glass all-round (green), windscreen with band filter, heated rear pane

I've no details on code 992. Also, the glass on the car doesn't match spec on the plate. The rear pane is definitely not heated, and the front has no band filter.

The curtains may be original, but they were not specified on the data plate normally.

The door panel, and parcel shelf have almost certainly been rebuilt. W116s did not have door cards like this from factory, the parcel shelf was not velour carpet. Why would anyone need to rebuild either of those on a 45kkm car is another question... That engine bay doesn't look like a 45kkm engine bay either.
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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #31 on: 22 October 2020, 10:53 PM »
Code 992 says   'weitere unvercodete Sonderausf├╝hrungen, siehe Produktionsauftrag',   additional uncoded special orders, see production order.

992 on my car was 'Stereo speakers with fader between front and rear, customer supplied speakers.

      Bernd

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #32 on: 23 October 2020, 01:41 AM »
In german, the test report seems to record 16% compression loss and 10% alternator capacity loss.
I would think the former driver(s) might have liked the kickdown a lot, and then I guess that 16% compression loss could happen after 45000km.
These old engines weren't precision builds like today. Lots of CC, lot's of cylinders, lots of gas, and the ones that got kicked around a lot, like the ones in high performance cars would, are famous for losing a lot of horses along the way.
I wouldn't be surprised if this car was a middle-east re-import. Lots of chaos over there, and paperwork could get lost there, I guess.
For this type of money, though, you'd want a full report, a professional friend and a serious test ride.

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #33 on: 23 October 2020, 08:42 AM »

here is a nice 6.9  for sale in London, LHD originally from Paris nice french headlights.

curiously my car had the 992 fader option as well and an electric aerial but no radio.

enjoy the search.

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1227576

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #34 on: 23 October 2020, 12:09 PM »
That car looks very nice.  I'm surprised to see all the non hydraulic suspension work.  Mine may need soon.  Alignment is wonky.

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #35 on: 23 October 2020, 01:24 PM »

here is a nice 6.9  for sale in London, LHD originally from Paris nice french headlights.

curiously my car had the 992 fader option as well and an electric aerial but no radio.

enjoy the search.

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1227576

Indeed that's a nice one, I love silver over black.  The seats have a nice worn - in look to them as well, just needs a nice Leatherique treatment ;)
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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #36 on: 24 October 2020, 12:57 AM »
Dear All,

Thank you once again for a fantastic forum.

I'm now even more prepared to go more into detailed dialogue with the seller.
Will keep you posted on progress/or the opposite.

I'm not so scared about the few non original features,
questions for me is more the claimed km vs reality!

Talk to you all again soon
Rgds
Casper

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #37 on: 26 October 2020, 02:17 AM »
Hi everyone,

A short update from my side.

Seller:
The blue 6.9 is imported from Dubai and no service documents exists.
So km can't be documented.

Seller also says:
The door cards are in leather and not velour carpet.
I don't know if the door panel and parcel shelfs are rebuilt. If it were rebuilt then by the previous ownership.

Well that's it and the closets I get.
What do you think? If the car would be close to where I leave, then I would take a look, but it's quite far!

Rgds
Casper
 

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #38 on: 28 October 2020, 10:32 AM »
Hello Casper,

I'd say:  If you don't have the chance to check the car on site with a specialist: forget it.
Don't know if people in Dubai drive and care better or worse than others, but with a car with zero documents and records you have to be prepared to face major expenses. This may be ok with a Volkswagen beetle but not with a 6.9, unless you want exactly this car for whatever reason and money doesn't count.

Furthermore: A 6.9 cannot be compared with a 300 SL or a Ferrari GTO as far as the necessity of a sound history at the time you may want to resell it. But I think the more expensive even a 6.9 gets the more relevant will be its history.
If you intend to own it for 20 years, ok. But if you want to sell it in a few years for whatever reason, you may have problems to get money back.
Again: If money is of no relevance, then go ahead.
But this is my personal opinion.

     Good luck   Bernd

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #39 on: 03 November 2020, 12:15 AM »
Hi Bernd and all other in the forum,

I can go down and check it it's one days ride from here.
But you're right in your observations and I really prefer one with bulletproof history.

Will watch the Internet and see what comes up.

Take care all
Casper

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #40 on: 03 November 2020, 01:51 PM »
hope ye don't mind me asking an unrelated question

but can anyone tell me if the alloys on the advert i posted are the aftermarket 15 inch alloys? i think they were discussed last year and at about 750 a set
TUV approved etc. maxi lite i think.

if they are they look better than i thought they would.



 https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1227576

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #42 on: 03 November 2020, 03:52 PM »
hi lukas

they are sold out, not that i was really in the market at the moment.

they look better on the car than i expected.

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #43 on: 03 November 2020, 11:05 PM »
Hi John and Lucas,

the Maxilite Webpage says that the alloys will be again available from 14th december.
Are they approved for the 6.9?  I heard that in Germany 15'' alloys were available but not approved for the 6.9. I wonder if non-Germans care for that?!

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Re: Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9?
« Reply #44 on: 03 November 2020, 11:14 PM »
I meant that I heard that These alloys were not approved in Germany. This is why I asked if People outside Germany would care?!
No offence intended  ::)

I have emailed MaxiLite for that.
   
        Bernd