Author Topic: 450 SEL  (Read 152 times)

orcking

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450 SEL
« on: 22 December 2019, 03:56 PM »
looking to buy a nice example, preferably euro model.
Any advice or references would be appreciated,

Had a w126 and always loved the w116
I might also look at 6.9s, but heard the maintenance and parts are really expensive and sparse.

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Re: 450 SEL
« Reply #1 on: 22 December 2019, 09:21 PM »
Welcome here!

Well if you want to drop some big coin on a cherry 450 SEL then this is the one for you:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mercedes-benz-450sel-6/

This one will fetch big money in 116 terms, I would guess at least 25K, it truly is a time capsule and you will not find many of this caliber around anymore.

Values on the 116 have been low, and this is a topic of hot debate on this forum. I think the water is still nice and warm to jump into a 116 before prices start to rise.

Honestly there is really not much to choose between the Euro and US spec, although I am sure our friends in Europe will strongly disagree ;)

6.9 is a rare bird, especially to find one in nice shape.  Do not be scared off by the "hydro tales of horror" on the 6.9. There are known experts who can rebuild all components to as new spec, and most of the parts are shared with regular SEL anyway.  A nice 6.9 will be in the 15 - 20K range right now, but a low miles garage queen can be easily double that and more.  A lot of them got badly neglected by shallow pocketed 2nd, 3rd etc. owners, and thus a lot of them got sent to the crusher, so finding a nice one for easy money is very hard.

Good luck in your search.
« Last Edit: 22 December 2019, 11:25 PM by daantjie »
Daniel
1977 450 SEL 6.9 - Astralsilber

orcking

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Re: 450 SEL
« Reply #2 on: 22 December 2019, 10:36 PM »
Hi:

Thanks much for your input.
I saw that 450SEL on BAT.
Low milage for this era scares me a bit, as the car was sitting for most of its life(not a really good thing, dry seals, gaskets, etc...).
It is in good shape, but I am not very much in love with the color combo.
Will keep looking...
One quick question, how much cost and work effort it is to change to euro bumpers. I know headlights are easy.
Also how much more horse power did the euro 450SEL have over the US counterpart?


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Re: 450 SEL
« Reply #3 on: 23 December 2019, 12:11 AM »
I would not worry too much about cosmetics, compared with the costs of battling rust in 100 places AND replacing/repairing all the -yet unknown- gaskets and bushings on another car. . Las Vegas odds that this 450SEL is near rost-free. Swapping seat covers, changing gaskets and euro bumpers is a walk in the park, compared to the rust levels on whatever other W116 you're likely to bump into. It is worth a dozen horsepower less, I'd say  :D

ptashek

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Re: 450 SEL
« Reply #4 on: 23 December 2019, 01:58 AM »
Honestly there is really not much to choose between the Euro and US spec, although I am sure our friends in Europe will strongly disagree ;)

You called it ;)
There isn't much to choose between, apart from the subjectively ugly bumpers, candle-like headlights, and about 35HP and 40 lb-ft less under the hood ;)
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Diesel 617

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Re: 450 SEL
« Reply #5 on: 23 December 2019, 10:31 AM »
Whoa ptashek you forget the most important feature of all. Euro models have the ultra luxurious and highly sought after manual climate control system, rather than the devils handiwork 'ACC system'  ;D
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Re: 450 SEL
« Reply #6 on: 23 December 2019, 11:17 AM »
Euro bumper require some welding but doable. you have to remove the US version bumper shock absorber.  Someone here has a used set laying around. New are extremely pricey.

Euro +++
Generally cloth seats - though is was a seldom used option on US cars
Climate
>HP
Headlights
Internal german markings and KM instead of MPH
taillight differences.
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Re: 450 SEL
« Reply #7 on: 23 December 2019, 03:25 PM »
Whoa ptashek you forget the most important feature of all. Euro models have the ultra luxurious and highly sought after manual climate control system, rather than the devils handiwork 'ACC system'  ;D

I have the extra hp and torque AND the devil's handiwork ACC! I like to live dangerously here in damp Ireland. I will say this before it inevitably self destructs: I actually like it, and it is a talking point about the car at shows, as a Euro spec car with ACC is unusual, I think.
It does make interesting/worrying noises after the car is switched off. I'm using the well known technique of pretending that this is normal.