Author Topic: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion  (Read 252 times)

Mergyver

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Hey guys,

I have been using my 79 300SD as a daily driver and have been loving it. I have been updating most systems to make it comfortable and completely useable.

My current focus is the ride quality. It is more mushy than I would like. I liken it more to a 70's era Cadillac, I would like it to ride more like a BMW. Much firmer ride much less body roll.

I am thinking my first upgrade will be a new set of Billsteins. The car has 99,000 miles on it. the current shocks are probably original. Billsteins for that car come in two flavors "Comfort/Touring" or "Heavy duty". Has anyone tried the heavy duty? How is the ride? I want it firm but not truck like.

Second upgrade I am thinking about a set of 15 inch Fuchs bundt wheels. My logic is that larger wheels and smaller tire sidewalls will equal firmer ride and better gas mileage.

All opinions welcome.

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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #1 on: 09 May 2019, 02:49 PM »
I can’t comment on the shocks. But I have 15’ fuchs on one of my cars and it’s definitely an improvement on the ride and the looks.  They fill up nicely the gap with the wheel arches. Not to mention the larger options on tires sizes. Over here the 205/70/14 type were hard to find. But many more choices  on 15’
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #2 on: 09 May 2019, 03:27 PM »
Hi Mergyver, done both myself but went other direction in dampers/shockies.

For the dampers I originally installed SACHS heavy duty part number 101 945 (54 1700 106 157) made in Germany. The ride was too harsh BUT I live and work in regional Australia and the roads are harsh. One area has a railway line crossing where even at 80kph (44mph) the harshness was so bad you had to take hands off the steering wheel  :-\

But this is horses for courses; if your roads are smooth concrete or equivalent they should suit  8)

I removed the SACHS dampers and installed Bilstein dampers (comfort shocks) part number F4-B36-0706-H0 (possibly superseded now?) and much preferred the ride which was very comfortable. Did notice light ‘roll in’ when turning but for long range country drives on Australian roads it made a huge comfortable difference  :)

For the 15” wheel option I did the W126 later model steel rims and installed 225/60/15 tyres and like Robert says they fill in the wheel arches fantastically and you have access to many more tyre options given 15” tyres are plentiful due to post vintage car resurgence  8) with the tyre option I used you get larger rolling diameter which solved my overdrive speedo error when setting it; it would drop 5kph from original setting  ???

The steel rims are NLA  >:( but I need one more to fit the spare so if anyone has a post 1985 W126 15” rim gathering dust please PM me!

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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #3 on: 09 May 2019, 04:43 PM »
Putting fresh Billsteins on my SD was one of the best thing I could of ever done. I think I went for the comfort and they are still pretty firm with 215/70/14. I made the mistake of cheaping out buying some other brand of shock for my W123 and I regret it.
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #4 on: 09 May 2019, 07:51 PM »
I put new Bilstein shocks on my 300SD, but I couldn't tell you if they were HD or not. I thought I ordered HD, but no vendor can seem to agree on which is which and they all seem to contradict each other. I have no idea how a person would tell which were comforts and which were HD. I drove myself insane trying to figure it out. I ordered 24-007054 for the front and 24-05111 for the rear.
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #5 on: 09 May 2019, 08:06 PM »
Thanks guys.

You are really getting me hooked on the 15" Fuchs.

I am thinking I will start with the heavy duty shocks.

Squiggle Dog, according to Bilstein the part #'s you have are heavy duty. How do you like them, are they too harsh?
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #6 on: 09 May 2019, 08:11 PM »
You can still get the 15" Fuchs wheels from the MB Classic Centre in Irvine, CA.
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #7 on: 09 May 2019, 08:22 PM »
I hope the ones I got were heavy-duty. The ride is quite firm, but far from being harsh. I'd use them again.

Interestingly, I got them from FCP Euro, and they listed four different Bilstein front shock absorbers. The ones I got don't say what they are: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-shock-absorber-280s-280se-300sd-450se-450sel-b36705 . But, they say that touring shocks are heavy duty? https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-shock-absorber-b361183

They list two Bilstein rear shock absorbers and the ones I got say they have standard duty valving: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-shock-absorber-b46511 . But, they list these ones as having heavy duty valving: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-shock-absorber-b461184 .

And then to make it more confusing, when I looked at other vendors, they also all contradict each other and seem to have no idea which ones are comfort and which ones are heavy duty.
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #8 on: 09 May 2019, 10:47 PM »
Ummmm, me thinks an email to Bilstein in Germany may be in order  ???

G

PS: just emailed Bilstein in Germany with the questions and this thread link, fingers crossed  8)
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #9 on: 09 May 2019, 11:27 PM »
I bought my 74 350SE shortly after the previous owner fitted new Sachs dampers.  I consider them horrible.  Jarring harsh ride.  I have Bilstein comforts in the 80 280SE and love them.  Possibly a bit soft for your tastes perhaps, but I love them.  Just feel 'right' for the car.

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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #10 on: 09 May 2019, 11:47 PM »
Amen, totally with you there S Class

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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #11 on: 10 May 2019, 05:54 AM »
I have Gabriel shocks on my 450SE and while they're a bit harder compared to the Billstein comforts the car came with, they do behave much better at high speed, which is my default mode of driving ;)
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #12 on: 12 May 2019, 08:26 AM »
Squiggle and Goldacre have convinced me.  I am going with the heavy duty.

Although Goldacre, if I am ever driving down in your neck of the woods I may just pop on a set of comfort Billsteins.

Thanks again guys.
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Re: 300SD Billstein Shock Opinion and 15' Fuchs Wheels Opinion
« Reply #13 on: 12 May 2019, 06:18 PM »
 8)

No need Mergyver, my 450 already has them, give some notice and will pick you up in the W116 from the Airport or Port and will give you the Grand Central Wheatbelt Tour D’Elegance  ;D

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PS: Hope the HDs work out, couldn’t wait to get rid of mine but our roads get Quality Assured ISO 9001ish  by mountain goats  >:(
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