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Thegger

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Wheels size 17"
« on: 17 December 2018, 01:45 PM »
I know there is several posts about what size fits and so on, but I couldnt find my answer.

I want to pimp my ride with 17's.
Does 17x8,5 front and 17x10 rear with offset 20 fit?
Rather want that instead of 16x8 + 16x9.

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #1 on: 17 December 2018, 09:44 PM »
you will need offset with lower number,  one of my 6.9's is fitted with AMG wheels 16x8 with an offset of 11. they fit perfectly.
an offset of 20 may fit but will be close shave internally.
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Thegger

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #2 on: 17 December 2018, 11:09 PM »
Thank you so much.  ;)

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #3 on: 18 December 2018, 12:53 AM »
Hi Thegger

I also went down the larger rim size, as there's little option for 14" tyres unless you go for the gold plated, diamond encrusted Michelins. I fancied a subtle upgrade, so settled for a stock M-B rim. Seeing that the W116 and R107 are sisters, I thought I would go with the later alloys used on a R107. I discovered these were only 15", but there is a subtle lookalike from the R129, that is a 16", and went for these instead. Another good option could be the R107 Lorinser alloys, they are slightly different sizes front to rear, are a "deep' dish style, and have the correct off-set built in.

You will need to take the following into account: better to use M-B stock if you can, as the rims need to be 'hub-centric' ie the weight of the vehicle is carried on the centre hub, and not by the actual wheel-bolt. You will need spacers as the rims will rub against the suspension and brake components - only a problem on the front rims. You will want to keep the off-set as close to 30 as possible to ensure good handling. To this effect I used 3 mm spacers. The idea was to tack them in place, but in the end they are just on there loose as no-one wanted to weld them to the rims... You will also need to ensure that you have the correct wheel-bolt length. Those R129 rims needed a longer wheel-bolt.

I still have the Bundts which will at some stage get refurbished, and used when I display the vehicle. In the meanwhile I still use a Bundt as a spare, and yes, I do have the matching wheel-bolts for that rim in the boot (trunk) too.

Keep in mind the following: getting larger rims with the same tyre circumference so that the mileometer and speedometer are accurate will still result in an empty wheel arch. I assume you wanted to show less mudguard, in which case you will have to look at lowered springs. This can affect things such as handling, and with our complicated steering geometry you may get excessive tyre wear, not to mention the knock-on effect it may have on the steering-box. You will also need to look at fender clearance issues.

If you take a look at my "blog" just scroll along the next few posts contains some information about the rims and what they look like on the car: https://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/msg122312/#msg122312
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« Last Edit: 18 December 2018, 01:02 AM by gavin116 »

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #4 on: 18 December 2018, 04:07 AM »
Hi Thegger

I also went down the larger rim size, as there's little option for 14" tyres unless you go for the gold plated, diamond encrusted Michelins. I fancied a subtle upgrade, so settled for a stock M-B rim. Seeing that the W116 and R107 are sisters, I thought I would go with the later alloys used on a R107. I discovered these were only 15", but there is a subtle lookalike from the R129, that is a 16", and went for these instead. Another good option could be the R107 Lorinser alloys, they are slightly different sizes front to rear, are a "deep' dish style, and have the correct off-set built in.

You will need to take the following into account: better to use M-B stock if you can, as the rims need to be 'hub-centric' ie the weight of the vehicle is carried on the centre hub, and not by the actual wheel-bolt. You will need spacers as the rims will rub against the suspension and brake components - only a problem on the front rims. You will want to keep the off-set as close to 30 as possible to ensure good handling. To this effect I used 3 mm spacers. The idea was to tack them in place, but in the end they are just on there loose as no-one wanted to weld them to the rims... You will also need to ensure that you have the correct wheel-bolt length. Those R129 rims needed a longer wheel-bolt.

I still have the Bundts which will at some stage get refurbished, and used when I display the vehicle. In the meanwhile I still use a Bundt as a spare, and yes, I do have the matching wheel-bolts for that rim in the boot (trunk) too.

Keep in mind the following: getting larger rims with the same tyre circumference so that the mileometer and speedometer are accurate will still result in an empty wheel arch. I assume you wanted to show less mudguard, in which case you will have to look at lowered springs. This can affect things such as handling, and with our complicated steering geometry you may get excessive tyre wear, not to mention the knock-on effect it may have on the steering-box. You will also need to look at fender clearance issues.

If you take a look at my "blog" just scroll along the next few posts contains some information about the rims and what they look like on the car: https://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/msg122312/#msg122312
Happy 116ing

Thanks for the reply. First I have to say you have an absolutely beautiful car. Good job there!
Im not into going stock with my car, so my thought is to upgrade suspension, exhaust and new wheels for 2019. So I belive maybe 16 is what I should go for. H&R have some lowering springs 30mm with TUV.
Want to try out similar wheels to BBS RS or the OZ amg aero. But as you say the offset is really important here. The 17"s i found didnt come with the offset I need anyways. 16x8,5 ET11 and 16x9/9,5 rear should be ok?

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #5 on: 29 December 2018, 02:59 AM »
SLC C107 will take 8.5" wide wheels in ET19 barely at the back and tight at the front. as manufactured by Rial for period correct wheels
17" dia of the wheel is irrelevant there if you keep the correct tyre size (235/45-17) but it may allow higher offset as it helps clear the tie rod ends (rim lip goes in front of the tie rod end vs. to the side as usual)

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #6 on: 06 January 2019, 11:31 AM »
I have found a set of new refurbished BBS RC090 17x8's. They all have offset 20.

I could use a 10/20mm spacer to get them out both front and rear. Is this a bad idea? I wanted 9" rear, but with a 20mm spacer im almost there.

But the wheels are awsome.. So I cant decide  ;D

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #7 on: 07 January 2019, 11:24 PM »
I personally would not use spacers on any MB wheels,
The wheels are designed to be concentric on the hub. ( the centers are a tight fit on the Hubs)
116   1978 450SEL 6.9 #  4848
116   1979 450SEL  6.9 # 5884
116   1979 450SEL  6.9 # 6225  SOLD
116   1978 450SEL  6.9 # 5128  SOLD
116   1979 450SEL  6.9 # 5884  SOLD
116   1974 450SEL  DJet

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #8 on: 08 January 2019, 05:53 AM »
I personally would not use spacers on any MB wheels,
The wheels are designed to be concentric on the hub. ( the centers are a tight fit on the Hubs)

Concentric (hubcentric) spacers are available for literally a few dollars from any reputable wheel store.

On another note are they REAL bbs RS’s...???
You do know their worth more than 2w116’s combined. My fav wheel can’t wait to see them fitted.

Neil.

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #9 on: 08 January 2019, 11:15 AM »
I personally would not use spacers on any MB wheels,
The wheels are designed to be concentric on the hub. ( the centers are a tight fit on the Hubs)

Concentric (hubcentric) spacers are available for literally a few dollars from any reputable wheel store.

On another note are they REAL bbs RS’s...???
You do know their worth more than 2w116’s combined. My fav wheel can’t wait to see them fitted.


Neil.

They were real. He wanted 1700$, I bid 1600$. Told me to think about it. Day after when I asked him, they were sold.... Fuck sake!
But they are not RS, they are RC090. Half the price of what an RS costs refurbished.
Regret my bidding now :P Gold would have looked smashing on my green 450.

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #10 on: 08 January 2019, 04:10 PM »
Bbs Rs command mad money, my mate has a set for his e21 bmw and had them insured for $4.5

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Re: Wheels size 17"
« Reply #11 on: 09 January 2019, 01:12 PM »
Bbs Rs command mad money, my mate has a set for his e21 bmw and had them insured for $4.5

Thats insane 😲 awesome wheels tho 😊 i went for some remotec mesh 16's in gold.