Author Topic: Suitable Replacement For NLA Right Side Heater Hose Through Firewall Grommet?  (Read 2520 times)

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The genuine Mercedes grommets, part number 113 997 01 81 have arrived. They are better quality than the aftermarket one I got from SLS--the main difference being that there is no seam down the center, and they have a smoother profile, so they will look a lot better when placed on the firewall. The aftermarket grommet is pictured in the center of two genuine Mercedes grommets.


They will replace the no longer available right side heater hose firewall grommet 116 997 04 81 and the no longer available air conditioning low pressure hose firewall grommet 116 997 24 81 nicely once the inside hole is cut larger so the hoses will fit through.

I also found some plugs which will fill the holes where the vacuum lines come through the firewall to the servo, since I am removing the automatic climate control from my car. They are simply black 1/4" pull-through plugs ordered from McMaster-Carr.
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When you're done with your quest, you could maybe organize orders for members here, where you order them all, compile sets in a bag, and sell/ship them to the members..

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Ugh... I placed an order with Mercedes and nine items are no longer available, which include:

1. 1169970081 Seals around the cowl drains at firewall
2. 1165013682 Lower radiator hose (seriously?)
3. 1169971481 Grommet for auxiliary fuse box wiring at main fuse box
4. 1169971081 Grommet for wiper motor wire harness
5. 1078210097 Vacuum line ducting at front doors
6. 1169972281 Grommet for control into heater case
7. 1168350098 Foam at top lip of blower motor case
8. 1169971381 Grommet for main wire harness at fuse box, could double as heater core exit hose firewall grommet
9. 1165001275 Hose between bottom of coolant expansion tank and bottom of radiator

I guess I'll have to go aftermarket on the lower radiator hose and use the hose at the bottom of the expansion tank a little longer. It seems these grommets aren't happening, so I suppose the course of action left is to smear sealant all over them. It's too bad the W116 didn't use simpler, generic hose and grommet shapes with greater interchangeability between chassis types.

I've spent all day trying to find suitable alternatives for the parts that aren't available, but at this point in history it seems we must resort to wire and duct tape to keep our cars on the road as parts availability is failing. Even aftermarket parts availability is scarce. It makes me worry for the future of having this car as my only transportation.

They have their own exclusive parts stash, or make small re-manufacturing runs if the car justifies the expense. This is why some NLA parts re-appear and disappear just as quick from the catalogue.

That doesn't surprise me. I say we grab our torches and pitchforks and plunder their booty!

I purchased a lower radiator hose from O'rielly and it did not fit.  Too short.
Still looking for one that fits
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I purchased a lower radiator hose from O'rielly and it did not fit.  Too short.
Still looking for one that fits

Why would anyone make one; it's just a lower radiator hose, nothing important. Haha. Yeah, it's unbelievable that no one seems to make one. Was it the GATES 20700 that I purchased and still haven't installed? I hope not. I can tell just by looking at it that it's a smaller diameter and bent differently than the original, but hope it will still work.

AutoZone sells a DAYCO C70705, which is probably going to be a similar fit to the GATES 20700. You can also take your chances and order a ÜRO brand hose from eBay or AutoZone. Otherwise, you can use a beautiful universal fit flex hose. Haha.

Yeah, if the GATES 20700 hose doesn't fit, I'm going to be upset, because then I guess I'll be forced to buy ÜRO.

There is another possible option if you are patient--an Australian-made Mackay brand CH4421 (odd since the W116 300SD was never sold there): https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mackay-Radiator-Hose-Bottom-CH4421-/161881381605

I may go this route...
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Just bumped into this site, quite by accident.
http://www.automobilia-classic-parts.de/gummistopfen,-sturmstangengummis,-abdeckrosetten,-gummipuffer,-haltegummis,%20gummid%C3%A4mpfungsplatte.html

and here:
http://www.automobilia-classic-parts.de/halter,-schutzkappen,-kabeldurchfuehrungen,-gummituellen,-gummiunterlage.html

they sell a lot of stuff, surely for much older cars then ours.

They sell universal rubbers, some of them designed to cut into shape yourself. Is that of any help? They are super cheap, that s for sure.

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Just bumped into this site, quite by accident.
http://www.automobilia-classic-parts.de/gummistopfen,-sturmstangengummis,-abdeckrosetten,-gummipuffer,-haltegummis,%20gummid%C3%A4mpfungsplatte.html

and here:
http://www.automobilia-classic-parts.de/halter,-schutzkappen,-kabeldurchfuehrungen,-gummituellen,-gummiunterlage.html

they sell a lot of stuff, surely for much older cars then ours.

They sell universal rubbers, some of them designed to cut into shape yourself. Is that of any help? They are super cheap, that s for sure.

Interesting. I'll keep them in mind if I find I need more no longer available rubber parts.
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The AutoZone DAYCO C70705 (made in USA) lower radiator hose seems to be a better fit than the O'Reilly GATES 20700 (made in [conveniently rubbed off]), just from looking at it. The opening at the bottom is larger than the Gates hose and closer to the size of the Mercedes hose. It also doesn't have the weird bend near the bottom. However, the upper bend turns forward instead of backwards, but hopefully those hose will flex enough for this to not be a problem.

In both pictures, the hose order goes, left to right: Mercedes, Dayco, Gates.



I will post the fitment results after I install the hose, which might not be anytime soon.
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Apparently Rock Auto also has an ACDELCO 22058M, although when you look it up, it shows a Gates hose:


They also have a CONTINENTAL 66483. I probably would have chosen it first if I had known. Interestingly, the hose in the photo looks identical to the shape of the Gates one and the lower opening also looks too small.


I wish I could see a CONTINENTAL 66483 next to the GATES 20700 and the DAYCO 70705, but if it's anything like the picture above, it looks like it would fit the same as the Gates.
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Also no longer available is the rubber buffer that goes between the parking brake release knob and the dashboard, part number 115 427 08 86. These are trying times in which we live!
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Also no longer available is the rubber buffer that goes between the parking brake release knob and the dashboard, part number 115 427 08 86. These are trying times in which we live!

Is this the part you need?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Emergency-Brake-Pedal-DAMPING-RING-107-114-115-116-Chassis/312062381334?epid=1223764163&hash=item48a85e0d16:g:sAEAAOSwp-Raeyou
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Also no longer available is the rubber buffer that goes between the parking brake release knob and the dashboard, part number 115 427 08 86. These are trying times in which we live!

Is this the part you need?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Emergency-Brake-Pedal-DAMPING-RING-107-114-115-116-Chassis/312062381334?epid=1223764163&hash=item48a85e0d16:g:sAEAAOSwp-Raeyou

Nope. Thanks, though. This is the one I need:
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When I put that number in google, I get a page full of hits.. Except for "autochast.ru, the other ones are not robot sites returning hits. Have you contacted them? Have you tried google.de and set the default  language to German?

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When I put that number in google, I get a page full of hits.. Except for "autochast.ru, the other ones are not robot sites returning hits. Have you contacted them? Have you tried google.de and set the default  language to German?

I just figure that if they are no longer available from Mercedes, or aftermarket, I'll probably find some universal part to replace it with. It's just a rubber ring, basically.
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