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Title: rear speaker grilles
Post by: s class on 03 September 2010, 04:13 AM
pompy wants original speaker grilles for his 450SE, like these ones (photos borrowed from Carl Jones)

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n281/carl308888/Mercedes-Benz%20280%20SE%20W116/280SEw116b.jpg)

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n281/carl308888/Mercedes-Benz%20280%20SE%20W116/280SEw116c.jpg)

From the EPC, it looks to me like the number is 000 820 16 12.  Has anyone ordered this number, and if so, do the items look like the picture, or is it some newer supercession part that will arrive?
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: TJ 450 on 03 September 2010, 05:58 AM
I was under the impression that you couldn't get these from MB anymore. I could be wrong however.

Certainly, they are available here;

Link (http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/c/Mercedes-Car-Accessories/Mercedes+Accessories.html)

As an aside, I highly recommend the Visaton range of speaker drivers for aftermarket replacements. They are a German company who have state-of-the art manufacturing facilities in China. I just got a pair of the 4" full range variety with whizzer cone for the 190E. Try getting them "off the shelf" these days. All you can get are poor quality generic two-ways that sound attrocious.

Tim
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: s class on 03 September 2010, 10:35 AM
Thanks TJ, I see they list them for A$15 each.  I will have to contact them on Monday to see about shipping.  MB here wants about A$32 each, supposing they are even correct. 
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: carl888 on 01 December 2010, 02:18 AM
Whilst I can't be sure, I think the grilles are made by Becker.  These were not fitted to my car originally.  I sourced mine from RobertD, but I see them regularly on ebay and at the wreckers. 

I can dig up the part number for the correct chrome screws if you like.

Regards,

Carl.

Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: carl888 on 01 December 2010, 02:28 AM
Fitted, with correct screws:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n281/carl308888/Mercedes-Benz%20280%20SE%20W116/280SEW116300.jpg)

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n281/carl308888/Mercedes-Benz%20280%20SE%20W116/280SEw116323.jpg)

Sorry, can't help with the part number.

Regards,

Carl.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: wbrian63 on 01 December 2010, 05:53 AM
As an aside, I highly recommend the Visaton range of speaker drivers for aftermarket replacements. They are a German company who have state-of-the art manufacturing facilities in China. I just got a pair of the 4" full range variety with whizzer cone for the 190E. Try getting them "off the shelf" these days. All you can get are poor quality generic two-ways that sound attrocious.

Tim

Looking at their website, there's lots to choose from. Have you purchased speakers for your W116 from them, and if so, could you recommend specific model or stock #'s? My car has the under-dash front speakers.

Thanks!
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: carl888 on 02 December 2010, 01:56 AM
Brian, i will start a new thread, "front speakers" so as not to hi-jack this one!
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: floyd111 on 01 February 2017, 07:29 PM
Peter here was so nice as to confuse me about the W116-correct rear speaker grilles.
I see them online in black, blue and cream, but I have been utterly unable to track down other part numbers, except the A0008201612, seemingly black.
is it correct that the W116 was only fitted with the black version?
Does anyone have the number for the cream/pergament version -or the blue one?
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: UTn_boy on 02 February 2017, 03:11 AM
I've never seen color coordinated rear speaker grills for a W116, or even an early W123 or late W114/W115.  I've always seen black.  Even on the U.S. 300sd they show to be black, as well.  Then again, I've been fooled before.  Now, the front speaker grills were obviously color coordinated from the beginning. 

As of 3 months ago, I ordered two sets, and they're an exact match to the originals.  However, if any of you order them, you must add color code 9051 to the end of the part number. 
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: s class on 03 February 2017, 01:07 AM
I too, have never seen any colour other than black for 116 rear speaker grilles.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: PvG73 on 29 July 2018, 04:25 PM
I have the same question. My 1975 280SE has a cream interior and I want to fit original rear speaker covers - are we sure they only ever came in black for W116s?
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: rumb on 29 July 2018, 06:07 PM
EPC say available only in black,

A0008201612

Sad, less than a year ago available, now NLA. 
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: Squiggle Dog on 29 July 2018, 07:15 PM
I like my color-coordinated ones.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NkEWYwdYCGxPC2UDn5KbLe2-LMFV4rF7bIka_GJAwBnGPDIiXgSupIlLqF6NlzQ0S3FXpHebiGSqyT4CXFot3PJHa1OCojIGCX4oaszN0l4H_j7OxaWPAYvHmObNIH1BQvflPxvmUkgmjtSwVVlB5ftLorhDF6Qu0wW8UKg4TgMucccn5si6duUJksFKH7EOm07cT7LV-Swn291ANmc6SK4F21Vfoy3WGzVbSkZj-WGSOGlo9YedChQ-i_d-zLQfwGq4X7O6ub0i_l7ZtAnolriPIn5iws03hZFKs9fqGkg85YFgpOB_1dH0P6CQM5g_vlVafROS6rGnhOJaZx7iJKbLQhlQNo-_CVhUQoA9qZ_uHaprkkZYyywHhMKKf5jtnoDnGqO6WnCKeJ2DkgDeC_ucoyjETXzPl5DxG_Zds7E1tSliR-hO5Nk4dpw2xKyqfrsc6HjVoGa8zWqEOKxL2sf8xePZpNTKoNKjLcJx0pRHdef93QE9kfw3JoWhVBms9iWZmasXR7ISAg4cPxOQPnACpwdSgdTYZixtP6UxdGJ8ungZDLtT11V0U-oRHEnHFPHpoPWLfvFvYI5l7E6ubj5txm0aBokaPmMCJcg=w800-h600-no)
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: Pete49 on 29 July 2018, 11:59 PM
In this age of hobby 3D printers I wonder if someone was to draw them up in 3D Cad and made them available as STL files we could then print them any colour we wanted.
Pete
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: ptashek on 30 July 2018, 01:25 AM
I'll add it to my ever-growing list of parts to model.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: TJ 450 on 30 July 2018, 02:30 AM
Colour coded grilles would be unusual, I’ve only seen the black ones on cars in Australia.

Tim
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: floyd111 on 30 July 2018, 07:05 AM
I know the EPC-black thing, but I found and bought a pair of creme ones a year or so ago, from Germany. Never solved that mystery, but they weren't sprayed, and identical to the black ones.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: Squiggle Dog on 30 July 2018, 07:52 AM
I believe I have them in black, beige, and blue. Maybe other colors.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: tcj on 30 July 2018, 08:02 AM
Hi,

the W107 and W123 (from 82 I think) hat coloured speaker grilles, not so the w116.

rgds
Thomas
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: floyd111 on 30 July 2018, 08:44 PM
That seems to be the accepted theory, but it's a persistent thing to be finding in W116's as well.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: PvG73 on 10 August 2018, 01:58 PM
Thanks for the replies. I’ve tracked down some new old stock black ones so will fit those. Now to work out how to remove the deep indentations in the parcel shelf carpet left by the bad 1980s square covers on there at the moment.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: Type17 on 13 August 2018, 12:01 PM
I can also confirm that there are/were green ones - my car didn't come with them (had ugly UK-made square-ish things fitted at the dealer) but, when I was in Techno-Classica in Essen in 2014, I got to ask the guy who runs Koenig's Classic Radios (https://www.koenigs-klassik-radios.de/en/) if he had green ones, and he said that he had a new old-stock pair in his attic, and would bring them the next day, which he did.


I presume that MB had them in all of the colours of the interiors at one stage, but that you'll only get black these days, unless you can find them NOS or used.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: UTn_boy on 21 November 2018, 04:28 AM
Old thread, I know.  However, I felt it necessary to try to clear up confusion on this subject matter.  Type17, yes, there were colored rear speaker grills, but not for W116.  Colored speaker grills weren't available until September of 1982, and were meant only for the W123 and R107.  It just so happens that both the black speaker grills and the colored ones are the same grill as far size and shape goes.  That's why the fella at the car show had green ones that fit your car.......but I doubt very seriously that he knew a colored speaker grill is incorrect for any pre 9/82 car. 

For further proof, please see pictures below.  These are foot notes from EPC, and the same foot notes are also listed in the factory W116 parts books, as well as the microfiche.  Hopefully this will relieve any doubts as far as what's correct and what isn't.

Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: marku on 21 November 2018, 09:40 AM
I haven't seen that on the EPC. I have been trying to figure out the wiring for the speakers as mine never had a radio until one owner put in a large multiple speaker system which really confused things with a mass of real amateur wiring. Never thought to look should have occurred to me - thanks.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: floyd111 on 21 November 2018, 01:51 PM
So the EPC says.. "Only available in black" To me, that sounds like the other colors used to be available, but now only black is left.
Where exactly did you get the pre-1982 facts from?
Just saw that W123 280CE had beige covers, and the car has been around since 1976
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: floyd111 on 21 November 2018, 02:02 PM
I was under the impression that you couldn't get these from MB anymore. I could be wrong however.

Certainly, they are available here;

Link (http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/c/Mercedes-Car-Accessories/Mercedes+Accessories.html)

As an aside, I highly recommend the Visaton range of speaker drivers for aftermarket replacements. They are a German company who have state-of-the art manufacturing facilities in China. I just got a pair of the 4" full range variety with whizzer cone for the 190E. Try getting them "off the shelf" these days. All you can get are poor quality generic two-ways that sound atrocious.

Tim

Looking forward to hearing some comparison statements there. I see them new for 7 usd, with a frequency from 100 to 30000hrtz. At least 2 numbers that that sentence are worrisome. 7usd is rock-bottom China cheap, and 100 hrtz is transistor radio level with no bass range at all. Sure, if you have not invested in any hifi yet, and just want the original Becker radio to produce 70's radio sound, that should be the correct outfit. Even though the W116 was high end, and ahead of it's time, it was never designed for anyone in need of high end audio. But, if you are one of those trying to invest in W116 hifi, with modern head seats, amps and /or bass, one can't be adding 7usd front speakers. There are better, costlier front speakers available, no doubt.. I think. I mentioned the Focals before. Haven't installed them yet, but they came widely recommended among audiophiles.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: UTn_boy on 21 November 2018, 04:12 PM
So the EPC says.. "Only available in black" To me, that sounds like the other colors used to be available, but now only black is left.
Where exactly did you get the pre-1982 facts from?
Just saw that W123 280CE had beige covers, and the car has been around since 1976

You're taking what it says the wrong way, Stan.  It's saying "only available in black" because that's all there was at the time for W116 cars, and when the colored ones came out they had to somehow let users know that the colored ones were not for the W116 (even though they could obviously be used in a W116)

I got the pre 1982 fact from EPC.  The information is in the W123 parts book, too. If you look up any W123 car and click on the speaker grill covering, there is a footnote that says "Up to 9/82 only black is available; from 9/82 attach color code according to interior equipment code". 

Whether a W123 is a CE, D, TD, gas or diesel, all W123 cars had black speaker grill coverings up to 9/82, and all W123 cars from 9/82 had colored ones.  (provided the car had a stereo radio and not a mono radio)  If a pre 9/82 W123 has colored speaker grills, then someone added them later.  We also have to remember that many people added a radio years later, and who's to say that the parts guy or the owner didn't inadvertently order colored speaker coverings?   No on would have been the wiser since they all fit. 
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: floyd111 on 21 November 2018, 11:46 PM
Got ya.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: rumb on 22 November 2018, 11:51 AM
I just purchased a nos set on fleabay.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: UTn_boy on 23 November 2018, 08:58 PM
What color, Rumb?  I need a set of green ones for a late W123 I'm restoring.  I've a feeling it's going to be a challenge. 
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: rumb on 24 November 2018, 04:21 AM
They are black grills.

Regarding speakers, I purchased from Becker " upgraded" speakers around $100 per set. They are not Becker brand.
Title: Re: rear speaker grilles
Post by: UTn_boy on 24 November 2018, 04:55 AM
Yeah, Becker is really bad about that.  If you buy original speakers and peel the "Becker" label off of them, they say "Konigs" underneath.  I've been buying direct from Konigs for a long time, but I was rather put off discovering that about Becker.