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Started by floyd111, 20 January 2016, 01:37 AM

gavin116

#105
Updated stats: Floyd111 (3), UTn_boy (3), gavin116 (1), Beastie (1), ptashek (1), Guillaume (15), w116john (1), Casey (eight), beagle2022 (1), Pieter Lötter (1), s class (10), ronw123w124 (1), karmann_20V (2), Jed (3), tcj (2), rumb (2), Peter (1), OneOneSix (2), littlefin (1), revilla (2), cmanson (1), arcijack (2), daantjie (1), Dima (1), Patrick (1), unknown Polish (1), Max-NL (2), Zaxxon (1), Squiggle Dog (1), Alec300SD (1), Greg (1), Zahus (1), 76116 (1), orientrot (2), pmark3100 (1), nostat (1), robparker (1), ZCarFan (1), marku (1), gf (1), mottati (1), midnitemerc (2), Malaysian (3), Panzerwagen (1), markb (1), mrkozzy (1), spoonified (3), will (1).
1979 450SE "Mrs White"
2022 Touareg-R 3.0TSi Hybrid
[url="http://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/"]http://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/[/url]
[url="http://forum.w116.org/the-org/british-near-london-meet/msg97613/#msg97613"]http://forum.w116.org/the-org/british-near-london-meet/msg97613/#msg97613[/url]

floyd111

Nice to hear from you again, Gavin. Thanks for the update!

ptashek

In the context of stats, there's an ad on eBay for a '93 "Oldtimer Markt" edition with a few pages of W116 "buyers guide", which has an inset with the number of W116s registered in Germany at the time:

Total: 49883

- 280S: 10958
- 280SE/SEL: 26960
- 350 SE/SEL: 6844
- 450 SE/SEL: 4643
- 450 SEL 6.9: 478

That's ~10% of the entire production run. Not bad for a then, at least, 13 year old luxury limousine.
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

floyd111

so, in 1993, 10% of all W116 ever produced were on the road in Germany?

ptashek

Quote from: floyd111 on 11 September 2016, 05:56 PM
so, in 1993, 10% of all W116 ever produced were on the road in Germany?

Registered for sure, but if on the road that's another story.
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE

floyd111

Another 2 entries.. my own cars, recently purchased:

450 6.9, floor-automatic
280SEL, floor automatic

That makes 99.
Can we have 1 more entry?

UTn_boy

I'm working on a customers 1974 450se at the moment. (he is the owner)  It's a column shift automatic. 
1966 250se coupe`,black/dark green leather
1970 600 midnight blue/parchment leather
1971 300sel 6.3,papyrus white/dark red leather
1975 450se, pine green metallic/green leather
1973 300sel 4.5,silver blue metallic/blue leather
1979 450sel 516 red/bamboo

gavin116

#112
Oops, double post.
::)
See below.
1979 450SE "Mrs White"
2022 Touareg-R 3.0TSi Hybrid
[url="http://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/"]http://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/[/url]
[url="http://forum.w116.org/the-org/british-near-london-meet/msg97613/#msg97613"]http://forum.w116.org/the-org/british-near-london-meet/msg97613/#msg97613[/url]

gavin116

Quote from: gavin116 on 01 October 2016, 04:26 PM
Updated stats: Floyd111 (3), UTn_boy (3), gavin116 (1), Beastie (1), ptashek (1), Guillaume (15), w116john (1), Casey (eight), beagle2022 (1), Pieter Lötter (1), s class (10), ronw123w124 (1), karmann_20V (2), Jed (3), tcj (2), rumb (2), Peter (1), OneOneSix (2), littlefin (1), revilla (2), cmanson (1), arcijack (2), daantjie (1), Dima (1), Patrick (1), unknown Polish (1), Max-NL (2), Zaxxon (1), Squiggle Dog (1), Alec300SD (1), Greg (1), Zahus (1), 76116 (1), orientrot (2), pmark3100 (1), nostat (1), robparker (1), ZCarFan (1), marku (1), gf (1), mottati (1), midnitemerc (2), Malaysian (3), Panzerwagen (1), markb (1), mrkozzy (1), spoonified (3), will (1), Floyd111 (2 additional), UTn_boy ( customer's car).
1979 450SE "Mrs White"
2022 Touareg-R 3.0TSi Hybrid
[url="http://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/"]http://forum.w116.org/test-drive/my-first-w116-here-at-last/[/url]
[url="http://forum.w116.org/the-org/british-near-london-meet/msg97613/#msg97613"]http://forum.w116.org/the-org/british-near-london-meet/msg97613/#msg97613[/url]

mottati

so i've got the only column shift 450sel in the survey!

Are they that rare? (i'd never seen one before i bought mine)

floyd111

Yes, that seems to be the case. All column shifters are rare, for that matter, even more so in a 280SEL.

One thing has me a bit worried though, when it comes to this list.
I check the German sites daily, and for quite some time now, the percentage of 350SE's that are offered for sale is quite staggering, with many of them in manual shift.
Now, either 350" parts are hard to come by and people are dumping them in higher numbers then other models, or Germany has always had a particular preference for 350's in manual.
Third option.. our Forum members are not equally spread globally and for some reason the 450's were shipped to the America's in much greater numbers.

UTn_boy

The majority of W116 cars were shipped to North America, at least the 450 models.  I think Europeans have always drifted towards favoring standard shifts because the automatic option was more expensive to the Europeans than it was for the North Americans.  That's what the price lists state, anyway.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1966 250se coupe`,black/dark green leather
1970 600 midnight blue/parchment leather
1971 300sel 6.3,papyrus white/dark red leather
1975 450se, pine green metallic/green leather
1973 300sel 4.5,silver blue metallic/blue leather
1979 450sel 516 red/bamboo

floyd111

#117
sure, plus it's a cultural thing. Automatics were never a European choice for the masses.
May also have something to do with the fact those only work properly in large, heavy cars.

But all of this leaves the question why it's raining 350's on the German second hand market for about a year now.
This was ebay Klein, (not even a special car selling site) from the 24th till today:
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/mercedes-benz-350-se-w116-rostfrei-1-hand-schaltgetr-/563246637-216-7581
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/mercedes-benz-350-se-w116-h-kenzeichen/562704261-216-2575
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/schlachte-w116-350se-v8-schlachtfest-schlachtung-motor-getriebe/562362470-223-1461
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/mb-350-sel-w-116-1-hand-scheckheft-h-kennz-original-brief/560549394-216-3811

The same week there was 1x450" and 3x280" Odd, isn't it?


UTn_boy

I dunno, Stan.  Your guess is as good as mine.  Maybe people are realizing that their W116 that they got such a good deal on is nearly impossible to restore without deep pockets and/or a slew of NOS parts, or maybe people are getting tired of Mercedes Benz's price gouging on parts?  May they're being taxed so badly to operate one that it's not worth keeping?  Just guessing here. 
1966 250se coupe`,black/dark green leather
1970 600 midnight blue/parchment leather
1971 300sel 6.3,papyrus white/dark red leather
1975 450se, pine green metallic/green leather
1973 300sel 4.5,silver blue metallic/blue leather
1979 450sel 516 red/bamboo

ptashek

Maybe it's the lower end of the market, with fat chance of getting the historical registration (H-zulassung) and therefore getting banned from driving in increasingly larger areas because of emissions?

Or the bubble is about to burst and people are dumping their "awesome investment" to cut losses?
1993 "Pearl Blue" W124 280TE
1988 "Arctic White" W124 200T
1979 "Icon Gold" W116 450SE