W123 - anyone know the TARE weight and other stuff

[13B]

Curious to know the following about the W123:

TARE weight
diff ratios
RWHP for 280 and 280E

Thanks

[CraigS]

Probably more likely to get this information here

http://groups.msn.com/W123Club/archives.msnw?all_topics=1

[nathan]

From Merc service literature australia

230e 123.223 eng.102.980 92kW@5000rpm 194Nm@3500rpm
240D 123.123 eng 616.912 53kW@4400rpm 137Nm@2400rpm 0-100 22secs(manual), 24.7 (auto)
250 123.026/028 eng.123920 96-103kW@5500rpm 190-200Nm@3500rpm 0-100kmh 11.3-12.2secs
280e 123.033 eng.110.984 118kW@550rpm 223Nm@4500rpm
300D 123.130/132/190 eng 617.912 65kW@4400rpm 172Nm@2400rpm 0-100 17.8-19.2secs

damn it, cant find the weights for the sedans...only have info on 123 coupes...
230c 1375kg curb with full tank and tools, 1985kg gross weight
280c 1445 1965 gross
280ce 1450 1970gross
what does gross weight mean anyhow?

hope this helps
regards
nathan

[nathan]

oops
in 123 coupes, the diff ratio for the 280 is 3.54 - maybe the same in the sedan?!

[WGB]

what does gross weight mean anyhow?

Regards
nathan

Gross weight is the allowable all up weight fully laden with 5 people, luggage, roof rack and a few slabs of beer (Or Crates of Grange  if you're that posh)

Bill

[CraigS]

I think a crate of Grange would outweigh the price of a 123 these days !

[Des]

Ian, are you looking for a different diff center for your 6.9??

[13B]

No, the 6.9 being the tower of reliability that it is - its best to leave it alone...

Looking for a Team116 car I came across this:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mercedes-300D-Fitted-with-VS-Holden-Commodore-V6_W0QQitemZ280165964178QQihZ018QQcategoryZ135585QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I didn't buy it because a) not enough cylinders, b) auto c) not a 116, and d) if its pushing around 1900-odd kg its probably no faster than a V6 commodore... if it was a V8 then I probably would have given it a gurnsey and done the melbourne-devonport-melbourne-with-Des-help thing once again.

The low sale price says to me wait for a converted-to-local-V8 116 to come along as they are obviously quite worthless (sorry to have to say that Mercules, what with all the hard work you've done on your car, and wasn't meant to sound like a dig at your efforts), shouldn't have to shell out even 1/2 what it would cost to convert a 116 to local V8.

[Des]

ah yes, same colour as my W123

that car has been listed here in the local newspaper for the last few weeks, started at $3500, then to 3000
obviously no one wants to touch it,
which I don't blame people,
why would you take one of the most reliable and long lasting motors, rip it out, install some Buick/American created piece of junk that is completely stuffed after 200,000k's and install it in, for the 1970's the world's most reliable and one of the most affordable cars to run?

[13B]

Yes I can't understand it either... what happened to the 5cyl diesel - I've heard they can run to a million km or more...

I can appreciate someone wanting more get up and go than a W123 with a 230 petrol or 240D engine could provide putting in the V6... but would it really be that much quicker than say a 280E M110 engine?

I respect your distaste for the holden engine but remember the ultimate environment my club car will be in - the lifespan is of less a consequence than the availability of performance parts for the engine.    Also remember I come from a background of some of the shortest-lifespan engines (rotarys) so even if a local V8 in a 116 club car lasted 2 years in between rebuilds I would consider that acceptable.

I.

[Des]

my opinions are more geared towards the intention of a car or engine, I have zero respect for cars and car brands that just build shitty rubbish cars, for the sake of selling shitty rubbish cars, white goods, like a fridge/freezer, built to last 7 - 10 years then it is all broken and needs to be scraped.

I have more respect for say a Datsun 240Z, than a clubsport bogan Commodore, the 240Z is built with passion, the design is a work of art, engines and gearboxes reflect this, reliable, strong, track cars.

I have more respect for a mini clubman than a XR8 falcon,